Monday, October 16, 2006

Don’t Speak of Sex, Ménage à troises & Homosexuality You Immoral Woman!

There are many people, as you know, see me as an immoral woman who claims the Lord as her Savior. “How can she be a Christian, yet write posts about immoral issues and live a life of a lesbian?” For the majority of Christians out there, it’s understandable to think this way. For truly faithful people who live in Christ, in my opinion, would think differently. I want to share a story from the bible with you that may have you thinking, “Hmm, it’s all about faith then!”

“Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman”

One of the Pharisees asked Jesus to come to his home for a meal, so Jesus accepted the invitation and sat down to eat. A certain immoral woman heard he was there and brought a beautiful jar filled with expensive perfume. Then she knelt behind him at his feet, weeping. Her tears fell on his feet, and she wiped them off with her hair. Then she kept kissing his feet and putting perfume on them.

When the Pharisee who was the host saw what was happening and who the woman was, he said to himself, “This proves that Jesus is no prophet. If God had really sent him, he would know what kind of woman is touching him. She’s a sinner!”

Then Jesus spoke up and answered his thoughts. “Simon,” he said to the Pharisee, “I have something to say to you.”
“All right. Teacher,” Simon replied, “go ahead.”

Then Jesus told him this story: “A man loaned money to two people—five hundred pieces of silver to one and fifty pieces to the other. But neither of them could repay him, so he kindly forgave them both, canceling their debts. Who do you suppose loved him more after that?”

Simon answered, “I suppose the one for whom he canceled the larger debt.”
“That’s right,” Jesus said. Then he turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Look at this woman kneeling here. When I entered your home, you didn’t offer me water to wash the dust from my feet, but she has washed them with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You didn’t give me a kiss of greeting, but she has kissed my feet again and again from the time I first came in. You neglected the courtesy of olive oil to anoint my head, but she has anointed my feet with rare perfume. I tell you, her sins—and they are many—have been forgiven, so she has shown me much love. But a person who is forgiven little shows only little love. Then Jesus said to the woman, “Your sins are forgiven.”

The men at the table said among themselves, “Who does this man think he is, going around forgiving sins?”
And Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” ~Luke 7:36-50

I know many of you already know this story. Sometimes biblical quotes and passages get mundane and redundant, but I wanted to write that all out for those of you who have never read that before. A lot of people don’t give Jesus enough credit. They don’t believe that He could actually forgive a sinner. In my interpretation of this passage—it clearly shows how merciful Jesus is. It also shows that if you love one another and respect one another with genuine affection, God takes notice of that. It’s how you treat others. Look at how many people love to judge someone who’s different, or someone who appears to sin more than the other.

My last post dealt with health issues that someone asked me about. I knew a little about it since I read up on practically everything regarding medical issues and health stuff…etc. Does that make me an immoral person, because I want to try and help someone out with a question? It may be something serious that the person is going through. She may have a health issue that needs to be looked at by a professional.

I spoke about a ménage à trois that one gentleman wanted to approach his fiance with. I felt it would have a lot of detromental possibilities and advised against it--since this wasn’t between the two people who loved one another. I am not judging people who do these things—I’m just giving my honest opinion when someone writes to me. I thought it would be fun to answer questions from my readers.

When someone emails me with a question, most likely it’s about my lifestyle, and questions about how I came out and how others accepted me, or didn’t accept me. It’s for those people scared of the unknown. Curiosity isn’t a bad thing. I enjoy speaking to down-to-earth people who aren’t afraid to cross certain ‘conversation lines’. That’s okay. We’re all human and we all have these thoughts in our heads.

A lady named Heidi commented. (As most of you have read.)

“Oh, I have a question. This isn't meant to be offensive, but I don't really care if it is, since most of the things you post are kind of explicit. Here it is.When I think about two women touching each other sexually it really grosses me out, it makes me gag. And nooo, this isn't because of my beliefs and because I think it's wrong and blah blah blah, so don't start ranting about that please. It's just that I could never be that way with another woman, it makes me sick to think about it. Most people who are straight seem to have a similar reaction whether they think it's okay to be gay or not. My question is...Are gay people grossed out by the thought of straight people having sex? Does it make them sick to think about doing it with the opposite sex?I am really just curious. Don't get mad at me because it makes me ill, I can't help how I feel, just like you say you can't.Feel free to answer my question, but please don't leave comments on my blog. I don't want icky stuff on there because I don't want to offend some of my sensitive readers, lol."

And those are her thoughts. But look where that came from? Does it sound as though her questions and comments came from love? Of course not. She had every intention to insult me and criticize me for what I talk about and how “icky” being a lesbian is. It was actually very juvenile of her to address it in that way—but that’s how some people react. They react like twelve year olds.

Another reader judged my relationship with my parter and my relationship with God. How can a lesbian be a Christian?

Easily. Faith and love for God. That’s how a lesbian can be a Christian. I’m not going to be a hypocrite and act all conservative and live my life one big lie. My relationship with God is precious to me. My relationship with my partner is also important to me.

If people get offended about the topics I write about, then they have that ability to hit “next” or click on the “x” box on the corner of their browser. I’m not trying to shove Christianity and homosexuality down anyone’s throats, but there are a lot of people who are in my situation who like to here a validation that God really does love them…and that God is very merciful.

We all have crosses to bear. Each of us have our own little battles of sin to deal with. And what’s life if you can’t laugh and talk about risque topics from time to time? There are worse topics to talk about. Mine were more on the medical aspect of things.

Isn’t it sad that so many “Christians” say they love, yet don’t act in love?


Video X said...

Um...but please don't leave icky comments on her blog????? WTF! I hope that was just some sad attempt at being funny...i think you should go leave a comment like..."hey howz about a littly licky sticky...whadya and me?"

also...i am straight. never had a lesbian experience. HOWEVER...anytime i see two hot chicks kissing it turns me on...i don't know why..i dont worry...pretty much ANYTHING turns me on anymore. my hairdresser when she styles my hair, porn, erotica, the wind...and so on and so on. so i think that is an effed up way to think...just because someone is does not mean that they think that lesbian sex is gross.

in fact, i'm slightly insulted MYSELF at being put in such a category of obviously undersexed and probably really bad in bed people.

was this mean? if so, and you are still monitoring comments then dont worry about letting it through..i mean...i wasn't trying to be mean or anything by implying that this person sucks in bed and probably can't get laid or anything...i just "can't help how i feel" deb! "just like you say you can't"

Video X said...

uh oh. no moderation.

~Deb said...

Let the games begin! You're too funny!

The Rev. Dr. Kate said...

Ok - here's my confession. When my mother first explained the mechanics of sex to me ( I was 8), my first reaction was "oh - this is totally gross." This was a heterosexual woman talking about straight sex. All these years later, even after having been the partner of a wonderful, sexy, caring man, the actual mechanics still make me laugh. I mean - come on God - part A goes in slot B? How did you come up with this?
For me, what makes sex sexy is the man I am with - the emotional and intellectual connections, being TRULY intimate with each other. The mechanics are just mechanics.
I am heterosexual and I don't want to talk about things I don't know, but I am guessing for most gay men and lesbian women, its how you feel about your partner that makes "making love" arousing.(I know there are people gay and straight who are turned on by the act itself)
Deb - I am always amazed by your generosity and you willingness to be honest. I am so sorry so many people find you their favorite target. My own feeling is that Jesus wwas quite clear that I should take the beam out of my own eye before I attempt to judge others. I haven't managed to get the beam out, so I really don't have the perfect vision to judge anyone else struggling with theirs!
Belssings, my friend, yours is a brave soul!

Pittchick said...

I would think that lesbians have a slight advantage in the sex department. I mean, who better than a woman to turn another woman on? Let's face it, some men out there are a little clueless and then get offended when you try to help them out.
Anyhow, maybe that's incorrect thinking on my part. I've never had a lesbian experience either, but I'm not disgusted by two women kissing. Like VX, I think it's kind of hot. I would rather see two women kissing than 2 men. i can't really explain it. I fine with gay people of either sex, but I think women making out are definitely hotter.
OK, I've done enough rambling and probably haven't made much sense. eeing as how I'm in a bit of a snarky mood today, i would probably leave a whole bunch of comments on Heidi's blog. that would amuse me. Hell, mayeb I'll go leave some icky comments over there...

Saur♥Kraut said...

Hey hon. You know me... I'm pretty easy-going. Maybe I just didn't read it right or I missed something, but I didn't get the impression that she was being nasty or rude or anything... just honest. But then, what do *I* know? I thought that other weirdo (Dani) might be OK at first, too. Perhaps I'm naive.

J R Estelle said...

This part of your post

Isn’t it sad that so many “Christians” say they love, yet don’t act in love?

You NAILED it. I often wonder if people just "hide" behind Christianity because, well, the only other way is being a heathen and who wants to be that.

Isn't it written, and correct me if I'm wrong.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged."

The photo you have posted, the one that says "I love you and you and you and you..." - God. Aren't those billboards FUNDED by Christian groups? It says, I love you and you, etc, it doesn't say, I love you, but not you, because you're gay, or you because you're black, or you because...well you get the picture.

Besides, didn't God make humankind in his image? If so....wooo that's an argument that's never ending. Personally, I think God has an incredible sense of humor. He must.

~Deb said...

Rev Kate: Yeah, it’s definitely the unknown where people get the idea that something is “icky” or disgusting in their eyes…and that’s okay. It’s all about how you approach the topic.

DNA Princess: I think communication intimately is great, whether straight/gay/bi whatever. That’s what makes good sex in my opinion. If you’re disgusted by two women being together- that’s your right of course. The topics I was referring to dealt with intimate portions of a girl’s relationship with another girl. Was it explicit? Sure…but how else was I supposed to tackle that question? (ha)

Saur: This wasn’t offensive? "Feel free to answer my question, but please don't leave comments on my blog. I don't want icky stuff on there because I don't want to offend some of my sensitive readers.” Heidi said. So she has the right to call my lifestyle or advice ‘icky’ on my blog, yet I cannot come to her blog and respond to her. I find it funny, that’s all. But each person takes offense to different things. It was full of sarcastic and intentional insulting words in my opinion.

Jr: Exactly. “You, you and you.” God doesn’t discriminate. If you love God with all your heart and “believe”, you are saved.

normiekins said...

laughing at VX and DNA ^^^^
they are right on target.....HEY Deb...i think you're HOT...does that make me a bad Christian....?

GW Mush said...
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GW Mush said...

would wash Deb's feet and annoit them with hershey's chocolate syrup!
I dont see Deb as a lesbian, or straight, or christian, or non christine; I just see her as a person with qualities that I like, thats all.
Heidi Heidi Heidi hoe,
Icky Icky suck my toe:)

Miranda said...

You know Deb, I really dont belong to any religion, as I was never brought up religiously. Any of the ones I've even considered, I'm turning away. I guess Im just sort of a lost soul. But I do believe there is a God out there and he loves us all.

Don't get me wrong, as of late I'd love to belong somewhere, but I dont think I can handle the judging I feel I get everywhere.

~Deb said...

Normie: Naw, it makes you just a smarter Christian! (ha)

Gw Mush: Too sticky. A nice foot massage will do. Thanks GW! 

Miranda: That’s the whole thing I’m trying to get across. Having a personal relationship with God is far more greater than what any other normal day-to-day person has to say about it. Judgmental people are everywhere, but if your faith overcomes the human nature of people acting out so childlike, then that’s a great start. People’s insecurities about their own lives are what drives them to judge and criticize others.

Saur♥Kraut said...

Good Gravy!!! OK, you're right, Deb. O-f-f-e-n-s-i-v-e. I guess you have lesbian cooties, huh? :P You've never left any nasty comments on my blog. I'm not too worried you'll get all mental. I think that *I* am more likely to get mental, actually...

~Deb said...

Well usually, I don't take things offensively, because you have to take this all with a grain of salt, but she did comment on here with the intention of insulting. But, whatever...that's her thoughts on the "lesbian cooties syndrome".

And of course I'm going mental--medication is never enough! A martini will do just fine! You up for it?


Anonymous said...

Trying to speak in a mafioso voice..."it's between you and da god...everyone else sleeps with da fishies..." or something like Let me think, a personal relationship with God...seems pretty simple to me.

Grant said...

Actually, I think Heidi's comment may have been poorly worded, but I know where she's coming from and I've often wondered the same thing myself. Do some gay people find the thought of hetero sex to be vile and distasteful? I personally find the thought of two guys getting intimate to be disgusting because I think guys are just plain gross and not attractive. On the other hand, bring on the J-lesbian porn.

I've always likened it to grape Koolaid and dill pickles. Once, when I was very young and wanted a snack, I opened the refrigerator and found those two things I liked. I learned the hard way that things good by themself don't always go together. I don't care if a person is gay - in fact, I encourage it amongst men because it leaves more usagi for me - just like I don't care if you like dill pickles and grape Koolaid, but don't expect me to watch or join in. I don't hold it against you, but it's still blech.

Now, answer the lady's question, you wuss. :p

~Deb said...

Casually Me: Very well put!

Grant: No, I don't mind people being 'against' it. It was the way she worded it--you're right. And I did answer her question...

Here it is copied & pasted from the comment section:

"To Heidi:

I wanted to answer your questions. And no, of course I would never be offended of how you feel about certain issues. That’s personal.

For you, two girls being together intimately grosses you out. That’s fine. There’s no need to try to change how you think or think something’s wrong with that kind of mindset. Some people are grossed out by sushi. Some people are grossed out by two men kissing. It’s all about how you view it. I didn’t think it was because of your beliefs regarding religion or anything. It’s just ‘your view’.

You asked me, “Are gay people grossed out by the thought of straight people having sex?”

I don’t know. I don’t classify myself as “all gay people”. For me? I think it’s beautiful for two people, whether straight or gay to be intimate—where there’s genuine love. For other gay people, maybe they are grossed out.

And no, you would never have to worry about me commenting on your blog…because I only comment on blogs that are interesting to me. Tragic reports of ducks and celebrities are a dime a dozen. You’re free and clear! Hope that wasn’t offensive!"

Hope that answers your question!

tippygee said...

A compelling read that buzzed a certain familiar ring. While society goes about their daily sins, they never cease to amaze me with such criticizing banters of hatred. Uneducated people and the judges of Christ will continually point the finger at you, while three fingers are left pointing at them.

Advizor said...

As a life-long Christian I have found that it's tough for some people (me, myself, and I) to let go of the judgmental side of faith and embrace the loving side. I've watched my Father, and excellent example of a life-long commitment to faith and growth, move from the hard-right positions of his youth to a much more compassionate, empathetic, Christ-centered approach to the Gospel as he as gotten older. He is more interested in helping the poor than discussing why they are poor, he has accepted my gay brother and opened his home to him, he has gotten deep into community action than I would have ever guessed and I try to be like him.

As I have seen my friends struggle with the faith they were raised in and the love they feel for other men, I have had to see things from their perspective and have tried to develop a stronger sense of empathy for them. Many of these men have been taught, all their lives that being gay is evil, but they find themselves in long-term, loving and committed relationships with other men. So what do I do, as a Christian who believes that God wants us to do things His way? I try and focus on myself, instead of others. My friends are trying to be the best people they can be. I need to do the same.

Who am I to judge when I still dig Porn, have a rocky marriage, and fantasize about a myriad of things that fall firmly on the "sinful" list? I have to try and love everyone around me, to introduce them to a life of faith, and to help them live it as THEY see fit, not as I do. I'll let God sort things out in the end. He knows our hearts, our struggles, our fears, and our weaknesses; He alone can judge what we did with this wonderful gift of life.

Thank goodness its not up to me.

The Absent Minded Landlord said...

Wait, you can't speak for all gay people? I thought you were like the Homosexual Press Secretary, Ha Ha! I think people just fear what they don't understand.

GW Mush said...

I seem to be attracted to red haired women quite often. Since the bible clearly states that red is the color of satan, I was wondering if it is evil of me to be attracted to redheads. Am I subconsciously in love with the devil?

Heidi said...

Not once did I say lesbians are icky. I guess it makes your post more exciting if you twist the words around a bit. I said I didn't want icky stuff on my blog...I was referring to things about crotch stench, etc.

I think my question was poorly worded. I'm sorry that you misinterpreted it. Was it spoken in love? NO. But I had no intentions of insulting or criticizing you. You are mistaken. I would have said much worse things if that was my intent.

I noticed that my question didn't sound quite like I had meant it to I posted something else trying to explain. For some reason you didn't mention anything in this post about my second comment.

I am not repulsed by gay people. They are just people. "It just gives me a sick feeling. I just know it's not right for me, not what I'm physically attracted to. Kind of like the feeling you get when you think about kissing your brother or's just a natural physical reaction for me personally. I guess it's hard to explain."
I really just wanted to know how gay people know they are gay. From what I read it seemed like people could be honest and ask questions about these topics here. Curiosity isn't a bad thing??? I guess I should have kept my mouth shut.

I don't claim to be a wonderful Christian which is why I don't preach at other people. I don't act in love, I love myself and what matters to me. It's selfish and sinful and I am the first one to admit it.

You talk about acting in love, but just look what you did. You are criticizing me like you said I was doing. You said someone judged you? Well, you just judged me. You are being equally as juvenile.

"Isn’t it sad that so many “Christians” say they love, yet don’t act in love?"
I don't care if you don't act in love...but if you're not going to do it you shouldn't preach little sermons about it.
If you were acting in love you wouldn't have posted my question. You would have prayed for me instead of drawing the negative attention of all your readers to it.

I'm glad that pointing out my faults makes you look and feel like a better Christian. You seem to think you are a wise individual..quoting scriptures...answering questions and so on. You should take a look at yourself.

Yes, I have the option of closing the page and not reading your blog if it offends me, which it doesn't.
You also have the option of deleting my comments if you don't like them...but why would you when they prompt you to write such wonderful sermons?

Anonymous said...

You're right, God does love you.

And I really don't want to get in an agument about this. This is my last post on the subject.

(This is a long comment...and when I use the word "you" it's not always necessairly directed at Deb...I'm using it in a general sense.)

You are dismissing scripture. One cannot claim to believe in Jesus' message of forgiveness and repentance and not repent. Jesus himself said, "Go and sin no more."

One cannot read the scriptures and just skip over the scriptures that deal with homosexuality. Whether it only appears four times or four hundred times is completely irrelevant.

To dismiss those scriptures is to dismiss the Bible as the living, breathing, word of God. That's what it comes down to. Not who is the bigger sinner, not who is judging whom, not who is "not loving their neighbor" just because they don't agree with your "beliefs".

My father did an illustration with me when I was a young teenager. He had tons of black marbles and told me to pick one up, name it a sin, and put it aside. I continued naming sins, big ones, little ones, grey ones--however you want to label them. Then he mixed them all together and told me to pick out the one I named "lying" and the one I named "murder", to which of course I replied, "I CAN'T, they all look the same!!!"

"Exactly," he told me. "That is how God views all sin. There is no scale. Sin is sin, and unless you accept that Jesus died for that sin, and strive to live a life that is pleasing to Him, you will pay the ultimate price, an eternity separated from Him."

God wouldn't be a just God if he made exceptions. No matter how good you are or how much you've read and studied your scriptures. You have to TURN AWAY from sin. Are you going to be perfect? No. I'm not. I mess up everyday.

I have even deliberately kept sinning myself, when I knew better. I'm not sitting here pretending that I'm perfect. However, I'm also fully aware that without repentance, there truly is no living a genuine Christian life. And I am not about to dismiss the scripture that very plainly points out homosexuality is a sin.

And yes, I can click "next", but I am not all riled up and upset over your comments. I find it interesting to read and I'm just sharing my thoughts on the situation as you do. You say you welcome them, and I have no doubt that you do. But I am not sitting here steaming mad at your opinions. I just find it all very tragic.

And as for people that are plain hateful towards homosexuals, I am not among those people. Homosexuals get all upset when Christians "compare" their sin to child molesters and murderers, etc, well by the same token, we as Christians get annoyed when we are labeled "haters" because we're calling your sin for what it is. SIN IS SIN. Whether you want to label it love for your partner in a monogamous relationship or whatever else makes you feel better, to me it's sin.

I did some research and will quote from a website that does not have a clear author's name but some good advice:

What should be the Christian's Response to the Homosexual?

"Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.
As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him the same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of godliness."

I'm prepared for a backlash of hateful remarks. That is what I find so interesting, alot of you claim to love God and talk to me about loving my neighbor and then turn around and lash out in whatever way you please and feel is justified.

Tolerance for people and their sexual orientation has been encouraged by the world, not the Bible. No where do I read that I need to be "tolerant" of sin. Jesus showed no tolerance when he cleared the Temple. LOVE my neighbor, yes. That means be compassionate, friendly, reach out, don't segregate yourself from your neighbors. It doesn't mean you have to condone their lifestyle.

Not one of my comments has been hateful towards any of you. Calling your sexual orientation "sin" is calling it what the Bible calls it.

Read the scriptures for what they are rather than pulling the ones out that make you feel justified and at peace. If you are going to read the Bible and quote it to me, then also take it for what it is. You simply cannot pick and choose the ones that fit your lifestyle.

Take it up with God, don't take it out on me.

Anonymous said...

Whoa, I didn't realize how long that was...sorry...LOL

I knew it was long...but not THAT long.

Geek said...

I beleive people confuse the views of peers with there own. Not to be mean but its the week minded that let peers, especially the church peer, guide their oppinions. ALOT of Christians fall in this trap, listening to other Christians and not their loving God. Maybe we should just listen to God. That is just my oppinion, not that it means much. After all oppinions are what we are discussing.

GW Mush said...
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samuru999 said...

Don't give a second thought to all
the "so called christians"
that might find fault with you!

You are so special...
God knows that you are special...
and he loves you!

Blessings Deb!

Heidi said...
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GW Mush said...

Interesting thing I noticed about Sandadingalinga.
She is quick to refer to scripture to judge lesbians and insist they must change to be a christian, yet her buddy Heidi fleiss- look-a-like-with 10 -extra -pounds just admitted right in front of Sandadingalinga's face that she is a selfish christian who doesnt act in love, and that she loves herself and what matters to her?
Well this isnt close to being christian, she obviously doesnt even care enough to repent and change, yet our precious dingalingaSanda doesnt judge her friend Heidi.
Oh the hypocrisy!!!!
Woe to you hypocrites who judge the outer cup when your inner cup (size double A cup for dinglalinga) is dirty.
Heidi, REPENT now and donate money to Deb's favorite charity as penance

Heidi said...

I do care enough to repent and change. :-)

I'll do it right after I give you a kick in the ass.

GW Mush said...
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~Deb said...

Tippygee: Isn’t that so true? But that goes with the territory of any religion. It’s expected.

Advizor: That’s the whole thing---it is a struggle. Any sin is a struggle. For me, I totally believe that a monogamous relationship between two people is not a sin. But for others, they think it’s a perversion. It’s all about different beliefs.

The absent minded landlord: I thought I once had that authority, until I was struck by lightening! You’re absolutely right, they do fear what’s not understood…and they fear what they interpret to be true.

GW Mush: Red is actually the color of healing---Jesus’ blood! So it’s not evil after all. You can rest now!

Heidi: I copied and pasted your comment. How did I twist your words around if those are your exact ones you typed out on my comment section??? Anyway, if you didn’t want any controversial debating or have your name listed on my blog, then best that you didn’t comment at all---being so rude as you were. You have a right to your beliefs, but when you approach someone with arrogance and sarcasm, it doesn’t send a very positive message. My little ‘sermons’ of love are only my opinions and beliefs. It’s a blog. Get over it. Post whatever you will on yours, and I’ll post whatever I will on mine. I never once visited your blog and made a derogatory comment. And yes, I do welcome adverse comments and people who are against what I believe in- like your friend Sandalina, but she at least comes off as respectful—but firm in her beliefs which is a sign of great character in my eyes. I don’t delete comments either, Heidi. I let people speak their minds. You thought this was a wonderful ‘sermon’? This one was one of my least favorites…but yet it made a good point. Thanks for the inspiration!

Sandalina: Hi! Please don’t worry about leaving long comments. I’m not one to scan or dismiss anything you have to say. I really feel that what you believe is your own. What I believe is totally different from your perspective. Being homosexual back in the biblical days (in my beliefs of course) was to be promiscuous and unclean. (Yes anal sex—which applies to even heterosexuals.) I didn’t skip over any scripture----if you look at Luke 7:36-50 *the scripture I wrote in my post*---there is not one sentence that Jesus says to the “immoral woman” to sin no more. He said in exact words, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.” Also, because her deep love for Christ and how she respected Him and treated him so kindly---this was an act of love…not just words of love.

Your story regarding your father is beautiful. I couldn’t agree more! But, I will say this…we are ALL sinners…(as you already agree.) Which is why Jesus came to the earth to save us—which is why God gave us His only Son. He knew we couldn’t handle it alone.

You said:

”…You have to TURN AWAY from sin. Are you going to be perfect? No. I'm not. I mess up everyday.”

We all mess up everyday. As long as we live in our flesh; our physical nature, we will always be sinful. This is where Jesus comes in… Thank God!

I know you’re not riled up & upset over my comments. You believe strongly one thing…and I believe strongly in another. That’s “okay”. I respect your beliefs and feel that God truly knows your heart. You seem like a beautiful person. Thank you for not being ‘steaming mad’ over my opinions. I can tell you’re much different than your friend. You handle things in a much more adult manner…so thank you.

You were “never” hateful in your comments towards me! In fact, you were quite respectful. It’s just that we see and interpret things differently. I have a personal relationship with God, just as you probably do, and know that God loves me…and He loves you…and He loves Heidi along with the rest of the gang. (Yes, this even means you too GW Mush!) ha…! ;)

I also want to say that I don’t pull the scriptures that only make me feel justified and at peace. I pray and meditate before opening the bible and read it for what it is. I feel that a lot of Christians who are against homosexuality love to pick and choose their sins and make others feel shameful and full of guilt over their cross to bear. We’re all in this together. We all fall short. We might as well live in peace with one another and love one another for who they are…not who they love.

I never took it out on you. I took it up with God…and I know He accepts me. If my own father accepts me and my partner…don’t you think God has that capability as well? Do you give God less credit than a mere human? He’s much more stronger than we realize.

Geek: Exactly. Listening to God---not necessarily audibly, but with our hearts is the most important thing. Thank you!

GW Mush: I should definitely have a paypal button on here for donations. It’s a little tight these days! ;)

Heidi said...

Since you asked, you twisted my words right here..."how “icky” being a lesbian is." I didn't say lesbians are icky.

Controversial debating doesn't bother me, neither does having my name listed on your blog.

Sure I can be rude, arrogant, sarcastic, but atleast I own up to it. Do you think that things you say about me aren't rude?

I just think it's funny how you judged and criticized me and then went on to talk about how Christians should act in love. Maybe that doesn't send out such a positive message. It's funny too how you didn't mention anything about THAT in your comment above. Sometimes hearing the truth really sucks, especially when it comes from a person like me. But, it's just a blog. Get over it.

GW Mush said...


By the way, It was ME That killed your pet Duck Corn PopCorn. I was really hungry and... well you know:)
Im so full now, I need a nap:)

~Deb said...

Heidi: I can see you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. But yes, I can be rude---definitely! But I never came onto your blog once with harsh comments as you did.

You said, "Don't get mad at me because it makes me ill, I can't help how I feel, just like you say you can't. Feel free to answer my question, but please don't leave comments on my blog. I don't want icky stuff on there because I don't want to offend some of my sensitive readers, lol."

Copy and paste. Simple.

So, basically, you were asking me about the gay lifestyle and asking me not to comment on your blog, because you don’t want “icky” stuff on there.

Does this confuse you? What part don’t you understand how you insinuated that my lifestyle was “icky”. Not that I care, mind you---‘cause that’s your opinion, but realize I will comment back…on my own blog at my own free will.

Maybe I should type it out slower for you though.

GW: Easy tiger! ;)

Geek said...

~deb you do churn the water. Love ya! You have the geeks attention.

Jaded&Opinionated said...

I say this all the time, and I believe it's true... God's love, compassion and forgiveness are far greater than anything we can even fathom. Jesus told us that Himself, and I take Him at His word.

Your relationship with God is known only to Him, and it's not up to the rest of us to pass judgment on it. That's kind of against the rules, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

LOL @ Heidi trying to say she didn't say icky. who says that anyway? we all read her comment. she needs to spend more time off the internet and get a life!

Tense Teacher said...

*standing and applauding*

You've got the two things (commandments) that matter exactly right. Now if everyone could just forget about what they see as your sin and worry about their own...

Heidi said...

When I said "icky stuff" I wasn't referring to your lesbian lifestyle. Your post was about CROTCH STENCH. That is icky. Everything isn't about you and the fact that you are a lesbian.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed? Ouch, that hurt Deb. That comment was just OOZING with the Christian love that you teach us all about. Please teach us more,Oh wise one. Again, I notice that you didn't mention anything about that. Maybe I should type slower too. You don't practice what you preach. Simple and true.

~Deb said...

Geek: Thank you!

Jaded: Of course. No one can judge your relationship with God. I’m with you on that one!

Anonymous: It clearly states what she was referring to.

Tense: Wouldn’t that be weird?

Heidi: Why……don’t………..what…….you……wrote….. Maybe then you’ll see you were referring to how gay people make you feel ill. And that’s okay, but I’m just trying to make a point.

~Deb said...

Here, I'll copy and paste it for you again, Heidi...just for you!

"My question is...Are gay people grossed out by the thought of straight people having sex? Does it make them sick to think about doing it with the opposite sex?I am really just curious. Don't get mad at me because it makes me ill, I can't help how I feel, just like you say you can't.Feel free to answer my question, but please don't leave comments on my blog. I don't want icky stuff on there because I don't want to offend some of my sensitive readers, lol."

So what were you referring to?

Heidi said...

When I said "icky stuff" I wasn't referring to your lesbian lifestyle. Your post was about CROTCH STENCH. That is icky. Everything isn't about you and the fact that you are a lesbian.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed? Ouch, that hurt Deb. That comment was just OOZING with the Christian love that you teach us all about. Please teach us more,Oh wise one. Again, I notice that you didn't mention anything about that. Maybe I should type slower too. You don't practice what you preach. Simple and true.

~Deb said...

Can anyone read that comment that is posted on this and tell me what she is referring to?

Can I get people to do that?

Heidi, read the comment again. Really. You're starting to concern me.

Here, read it again Heidi. I do this because I'm that nice! (ha)

""My question is...Are gay people grossed out by the thought of straight people having sex? Does it make them sick to think about doing it with the opposite sex?I am really just curious. Don't get mad at me because it makes me ill, I can't help how I feel, just like you say you can't.Feel free to answer my question, but please don't leave comments on my blog. I don't want icky stuff on there because I don't want to offend some of my sensitive readers, lol."

Copying & pasting is a great tool!

Anonymous said...

love you Deb!
Don't let her get to you!
Not worth it!

GW Mush said...

Attention~ I have just been informed that Heidi wants me cuz Im not icky, and I have a nice smelling crotch:)

Kat Campbell said...

People can be so ridiculous. Part of the reason I no longer belong to any organized religion is that I couldn't find one that understood God's order to Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged.

Heidi said...

Whatever anonymous, it's totally worth it, lol.

I really didn't mean that lesbians were "icky". I was referring to crotch rot as the icky part. That's what the post was about. It just came out wrong and yes, it did sound that way. I'm S O R R Y for that. I really am. My first comment did sound bad. I truly didn't mean it like it sounded. I made another comment after that explaining why it makes me feel ill to think about two women being intimate...because I have no desire to be with another woman. It's funny how Grant (scroll up) knew exactly what I meant but Deb can't seem to wrap her mind around it.

She doesn't mention the second comment I made because the first one sounds bad and that's what she wants! The worse I am the better she looks. She wouldn't have used it in her post if that wasn't true.

She completely contradicts herself. She talks of my criticizing and someone else's judging while she does exactly that to me. Deb, pointing to my sins only make yours more obvious, not that I care. But don't preach to everybody about Christian love if you do that, especially not in the same post.
It's amazing how you have a reply for every other remark I make except this one. Could it be because I'm right?

Miss 1999 said...

Don't sweat it Deb, you've got class girl! If I've learned anything from working at Sprint, it was that I don't need to waste my time trying to make others happy. I pray for them, and go on. Take care of yourself- you know I love ya :0)

GW Mush said...

I know that Threesomes were soooo last weeks topic, but I Thought of another point.
Now lets say I was a female and my b/f or hubby approached me about a threesome, I would be thinking to myself, if he is thinking about having such strong feelings about having sex with another woman besides me (in a 3-some), isnt that an indication that he is more apt to cheat on me, or will cheat on me in the future? Why does he need more than me?
OK, Im really a guy though, who knows how women really think in their pretty little heads:)
Personally, I wouldnt even have a relationship with a person that wants a threesome. That isnt the kind of qualities im looking for in a spouse.

Catch said...

Girls! Girls! Its for none of us to judge! Deb is trying to do a service here and help people..and I admire her for it. Heidi you came off a little arrogant in your post to Deb. It was harsh. Maybe you didnt mean if you apologized we could all get past it. It doesnt matter what someone's lifestyle is, it their lifestyle....its not for any of us to judge. The best thing we can do is be loving people.

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Åsa said...

Well Deb, you probably know that I’m a heathen, so I’m not going to participate in the religious debate. People who judge others like that scare me. Christian fanatics are no better than the Taliban or other oppressors. I see no love there: no room for individuals or great thinkers. (did I just participate in the debate now?!)

I do want to comment on the “icky” debate though. Where do people get these weird thoughts from?! Get a life! Or at least use your energy somewhere where it can do some good! I must say though that there are a few people out there who I would prefer not get a visual of: naked and intimate. But it doesn’t’ have anything to do with their sexual preference or gender. Some people are just nicer to think of with their clothes on. Or not think about at all.

Ps. That first answer you posted for Heidi starting “I wanted to answer your questions” was hilarious! You are so good at expressing yourself!

DaBich said...

"If people get offended about the topics I write about, then they have that ability to hit “next” or click on the “x” box on the corner of their browser."
My sentimentsx ZACTLY! Judge not lest ye be judged! Hugz!

DaBich said...

Oh My, I just saw j r estelle's post, we share the same thoughts too :)

Nihilistic said...

Holy crap Deb! I came out at 21 and have heard all this same crap of religion and how evil I am ever since...I could type a comment but I think it would be wasted anyway...You and I know though...Don't we?

~Deb said...

Anonymous: Thank you…

GW: Hmm.

Kat: A lot of people feel that way and tend to steer away from any organized religion.

Heidi: I’m glad you think it’s worth it! Okay, so you meant that for the other post, but the entire comment was focused on two women being together intimately. So, if you meant one thing- then fine, but if you read carefully, you’ll see you were referring to two women being together. Also, your second comment was replying to Say It Hot (another blogger) whose thoughts differed from yours. I didn't dismiss what you said... I don’t mention it, because it had nothing to do with what your comment said! I’m not contradicting myself here. I didn’t point out any of your sins! I’m pointing out the vast contradictions from what you have wrote on my blog…that’s all. And no, I am no replying to your comments because you’re right or because you’re wrong…it’s because you come across very harsh and there’s really no need. Just look at the text and see what you wrote. It can’t be that hard sweetie...or can it?

Miss 1999: Thank you! I know, I worked in telecommunications for a few years and experienced ‘irate’ customers myself. Hey, can’t please everybody all the time! But, yes—I already prayed for Heidi. She’s probably a really nice girl, and our communication is just lacking a touch. Sometimes text comes across really badly, and I have to take that into consideration. But when someone debates what they said, and it’s recorded ‘in text’, I have to stand firm and say, “No you didn’t mean this, you clearly said this!” It’s amazing how people like to twist words around when it’s written in black and white.

GW Mush: Where you going with this buddy? (haha)

Catch: Actually, I’m sorry that Heidi ever came onto my blog, because she was so taken back and offended. There are tons of other blogs that are much more explicit in their language and topics…so I don’t know why she chooses to hop on mine and make a fuss over two women being in a relationship.

Asa: Well that’s all they think about----the “sexual aspect” of the relationship. They don’t think of the foundation of the relationship, which consists of friendship and love. In their minds, they see sex sex and more sex. So it’s no wonder that she thinks it’s “icky”. Her mind goes right in the gutter. When I think of two straight people together, I think of friendship and love. When I think of two gay men together, I also think the same, friendship and love…same goes for female/female.

Dabich: Amen! X out if you’re offended. I’m not here to make people ‘feel good’ about their obscene thoughts. I blog because I have way too many opinions to share. (heh)

Nihilistic: It definitely gets lost when there’s someone bantering back and forth, trying to make a point when they can’t. But your comment would stand out. I know your views, and I thank you for sharing them. People make the word religion look bad… I don’t even prefer using that word. It’s my relationship with God that I use instead.

QUASAR9 said...

So ~Debs, perfume oh so sweet

If I were to see you wash The Lord's feet, would you trust me to wash your feet.

Hope you are having fun
in the bright light & sun!
Wishing you a magical day
whether it be night or day

Heidi said...

"And those are her thoughts. But look where that came from? Does it sound as though her questions and comments came from love? Of course not. She had every intention to insult me and criticize me.."
That was you pointing out my sins.

It shouldn't matter what I said, because you believe that Christians should act in love.
"It was actually very juvenile of her to address it in that way—but that’s how some people react. They react like twelve year olds."
That was you insulting me back. Is that how a person reacts in love?

That's what you did, then you had the nerve to teach us about Christian love. I'm sorry that I come across as harsh. Sometimes the truth hurts.

~Deb said...

Quasar: Thank you!!!

Heidi: Please, let it go. I was defending myself, because the post I had written was mostly medical as well as educational. You acted like a 12 yr old in sex ed. Grow up!

Video X said...

WOW!!!!!! I do not have the time to read it all. I cannot believe this whacko is COMING BACK HER TO SCREW WITH YOU AND FRANKLY THAT JUST MAKES THIS HEIDI NUTJOB A PUSSY WIMP. Why bother? Need some validation in her life? Haha...I HATE that word. ANyway. SELF RIGHTEOUS ASS.

The whole freaking point was that she was rude...and ARE TERRIBLE RUDE AND MEAN AND you're just an asswipe in general. The original comment was just dripping with sarcastic meanness. Do you really think people are that stupid that they cannot see through that. Honestly, I could care less about your use of the word "icky." You are such an idiot you think YOU can twist things around to make yourself look "right." Why don't you just go eat a box of twinkies and go away.

You even tried to pull that "it's how i feel deb, right? just like you have your feelings about it" BULL SHIT!!!!

you suck...really bad.

I like Deb and it seriously really bothers me that asses like you go to her blog to try to fuck with her. She's absolutely the sweetest person. You wouldn't have the faintest clue how to be nice to perhaps that's why you're such a dick. I think I am just going to become an ass. Maybe I will just jump right in there with GW and start leaving shitty comments on your blog...incessantly. Got nothing better to do? Deb didn't fuck with you at left a shitty comment so just own it and go the hell away...go save us all from your miserable self and jump off a damn bridge somewhere you stupid idiot. I HATE IDIOTS!!! How's that for being self righteous! STUPID people like you just drive me nuts anymore. I used to try to be a good person, but I gave up a while ago.

This CRAP just really really bothers me. Get off the internet if you can't deal with people realizing how dumb you are then.

Oh! I just got an idea...I love being a jerk to jerks sometimes. Hee hee...and i really like pasting my face onto pictures of fat people...I'm off my rant and onto a search now.

GW Mush said...

Videox, lol I never want to mess with you, ROFL.

Also, Heidi isnt the brightest sheep in the Good Lord's flock, she has the IQ of yellow canadian snow.

Anonymous said...

Heidi's stupidity
is written all over
this entire blog right now.

She might as well stop
while she *thinks* she's ahead.

Heidi said...

Is the best you can come up with Video X? That I'm dumb, fat, and mean? Lol. You sound smart too.

You seem really mad. If I drive you that crazy maybe you should get off the internet.

Sure, I'm dumb, but atleast I can capitalize and use correct punctuation.

I welcome GW's comments on my blog. He's great!

God said...

Did you ever think of getting off of Deb's blog?

I still love you.

Heidi said...


Anonymous said...

matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

What does this passage mean? I believe it means don't give good things to evil people. I think he’s saying that you only need to present the gospel to a certain point and when people become abusive it’s time to cease at that point. There is a limit. Deb, you're a loving person with a gracious heart. Don't waste your time on the dogs.

Heather Lee said...

Good grief! Heidi explained what she described as "icky." Are you just ignoring that? I personally think discussing crotch stench is a little repulsive myself. How many times can you copy and paste it and not even see it yourself...that she NEVER described YOU as "icky!" So, she didn't word it correctly...get over need to blog about the whole thing and start bashing. I think it was a legit question...not a lifestyle judgement.

~Deb said...

Heather, then you must not be able to read. I never said she said "I" was icky, I said that she called another woman being with another woman...icky. There are ways to go about it, but it's pointless talking to people who have no sense of maturity whatsoever.

And yes---how many times DO I have to copy and paste it for her to understand what she said??? I guess you two go to the same school.

Read. It's not that hard.

Thanks everyone who saw what I saw and who have not only book smarts, but common sense.

Video X said...

oh. my. holy. cow.

She has got to be kidding.




Try reading that one. It's really all about you...but it's small maybe you can understand.

Heather Lee said...

Hmmm..I think I remember reading that stupid "sofa king" bit in Jr. High...

BTW, you are all so defensive about it..I am curious as to why, if you think it is all ok..

If ONE simple question could put all of you over the edge, one can only wonder...

Video X said...

EXACTLY...because I have to get down to the level of your behavior you you can I apparently was successful.

Nobody is defensive about "it"...whatever that means...what sucks is you and that fat cow.

It wasn't the question...which yet AGAIN proves that you cannot read. It was her nastiness. She is just rude and mean. Obviously she is just a horrible cruel person. I do not know why people like her even come to Deb's blog. I frequent her blog, and it is just really troublesome. If I see something and I think that I disagree...I generally just don't visit that blog. She wasn't even commenting on the subject of the blog...she just decided to pull out the gay bashing shit. I suppose illiterate people probably are not capable of understanding this.

~Deb said...

Well God bless all of you who have visited my blog.

May this post rest in peace now. :)

GW Mush said...
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Heather Lee said...

OK..Maybe you just need to toughen up and get a REAL dose of "rudeness and nastiness" bc that sure isn't harsh. I did not find her comments "bashing," but maybe I am just not that sensitive and can handle it.

I am quite amazed how you can go about calling me "illiterate," when it is OBVIOUS I can read and write if I am doing it now. AND YES, she did post a QUESTION! Her ORIGINAL question was if homosexuals are repulsed by heterosexuals. As a heterosexual I am curious about that too. With that being said, I am done, bc obviously you are easily offended. I sure hope you acquire thicker skin...the world can be pretty cruel and you can't even handle the blog world.

Heidi said...

I won't let it rest in peace. EVER.
I told you a million times what I meant when I said "icky"..I even APOLOGIZED because it did sound bad. Yet you won't accept that will you Deb? I'll say it again and again and again.

When I said icky I was referring to crotch stench. It was badly worded and it did sound like I was saying lesbians are icky. I really didn't mean it that way and I am SORRY it offended you. Most of my comments above were meant to be mean. But when I asked that first question, I honestly wasn't trying to bash homosexuals or be mean. I really wanted an answer to my question.
Why won't you believe me? It's like you would rather believe that I'm HORRIBLE because it appears that you all love to argue.

I'm not nice, and I don't like you. But I did not intend to offend anyone when I said that. If I did want to I would have said something much more blatantly insulting.

Again, I apologize for my very poorly worded question. I'm sorry it offended you. I won't say that's what I meant to do because it WASN'T. Are you going to believe me and accept my apology, or keep on raving like lunatics? Show me some of that Christian love.

GW Mush said...

ladies ladies,
oh this fighting is killing me. How do you think it feels for me to be right in the middle of you two fighting when you arent even sporting wet T-shirts or standing in a mud or jello pit?
Now lets do this right ladies, go wet your tshirts and come back and lets see some swinging hair, grunting, groaning, and feel free to add other nice motions:)

~Deb said...

Heidi, your apology is definitely accepted---and our misunderstanding/miscommunication is in the past.

Thanks for being so honest! I appreciate it. I'm a lunatic anyway, however, you got my Christian love! :)

I never said I "didn't" have some mental issues. *sigh*

Okay, back to the psyche ward for me!

~Deb said...

Oh...and of course, please accept my apology too!

GW Mush said...

I hate it when women have miscommunications, it is so annoying.

~Deb said...

I blame mine on PMS. Can you imagine all of us getting together over drinks talking about 'icky' topics? Now that would be funny!

God does have a sense of humor, you know!

GW Mush said...

lol Deb :)

Heidi said...

Thank you, and of course I accept.

I guess GW won't get his wet tshirt fight after all, lol.

Anonymous said...

Everyone who had interactions with Jesus either changed or went their seperate way. What about you do you think needs to be changed? I'm heterosexual, and I have issues...many of them. I don't agree that lesbianism is right, but thats your cross to bear. Interested on your thoughts.

~Deb said...

Heidi, he was definitely hoping!

Anonymous: My thoughts are all over this blog regarding homosexuality, but there is a post that says it all that I would love for you to take a look at, as well as let me know your thoughts on it. Thanks for asking.

You can visit:

(Sorry, my linking is bad...just copy and paste that into your browser!)

Jazz said...

Ummm WOW! LOL, I read like 50 or so comments then my eyes started to burn so I'm just going to post my comments.

Here's my 2 cents:
Blogs are personal but are read publicly. So expect people to give their opinions, and be rude, cause alot of people are. Doesn't mean we can't call them out on it and give our thoughts back, we can these are our personal blogs. I post on topic I want to post on, I would rather if you have an issue you just left but most people don't just like Heidi didn't. She could have been more polite in her questions but she wasn't, and I personally don't think she tried very hard to be so. But anyway. I never read anywhere on this blog Deb saying she was perfect or all knowing. People ask her opinion and she gives it, and everytime she makes sure she says "i'm not a doctor!" lol. And just cause she defends her sexual lifestyle and Christianity doesn't mean she doesn't ever sin in any other way. Goodness some people are a little extream huh? lol.
Okay go on that's all I had to say. And there is no need to point out some of my words are misspelled and stuff like that I KNOW! And I don't care.


Anonymous said...

I read your love is love post. I saw what I defending your lifestyle. Do you feel that God is please with your lifestyle? Its like, you are a Lesbian and that is your badge of honor. You seem defensive, but I guess I would be like that if I was always getting attacked about the way I live. Anyways, you will do what you want to do, and live your life regardless of what your interpretation of the Bible says. I'm sure that if God convicts you, you will sensitive to His spirit...He won't lead you wrong. God Bless!

~Deb said...

Jazz: Well that’s the thing, the blog is a public domain, so I totally expect some people to come on with rude remarks or whatever. That’s fine really. But when someone doesn’t admit to whatever they have written, then I have to point out the obvious. And hey---there are MANY typos in this blog---I have nerve to point out other people’s typos! Ha!

Anonymous: I feel that God is pleased with me, because I have helped many people overcome their guilt and frustrations over what society thinks is right or wrong. My lifestyle as a lesbian is not a badge of honor, it’s who I am. My badge of honor is God. I’m not defensive, but I will argue and debate over the fact of what God means to me, and how He accepts me…He accepts you…and He accepts those who are different. I know that I have a personal relationship with God, and that’s my validation that He loves me. Through prayer and meditation and reading the bible, He speaks to me in many, many ways. If He points out that my lifestyle is wrong (which He would have a long time ago) then I would seek out the obvious. But, I know in my heart and through His word that He accepts me ‘as is’. Thanks for commenting!