Tuesday, April 10, 2007

Imus vs. Sharpton

When have we become so defensive? We’re offended by everything we see, hear and read. We know that ‘freedom of speech’ is a right of ours, however there are some people who feel that higher people of rank shouldn’t be giving their honest opinions regarding others.

Don Imus has taken on a lot of flak for a few poorly chosen words against the Rutgers’ female basketball team. He called them, “Nappy-headed hos.” While gathering other people’s opinions on this, I happened to be watching “The View”, listening to what Rosie O’Donnell had to say about it. She said that there are certain things that the black community can say to one another, however in the same respect, white people are not permitted to say the same thing. For instance, a black person can call one another the ‘n’ word, without repercussions. White people cannot. It makes sense. Now, what happens here is, the word “ho” went right after the nappy-hair comment. That was definitely uncalled for.

My opinion is based up this. People in the media, such as Don Imus and Howard Stern are ‘shock jocks’. They’re looking for a reaction. They borderline the rules with the FCC to see just how far they can go. They’re expected to say this crap. Why are people so upset over what these guys have to say? They’ve said so much worse in the past, so why bring it up now?

Of course Al Sharpton and his gang all rally against this guy. Again, on the view, Joy Behar raised an interesting question to Sharpton.
“What about those rappers who put down women calling them 'hos' and degrading them with vulgarity?”
Sharpton never mentions any of this at all. Does he agree that saying this on the radio and through songs that our children listen to is okay? Al Sharpton is one hypocritical man who needs to stop putting his nose in things he ‘picks and chooses’ to be right or wrong. He needs to stop protesting against everything the white man says and stand up to everything that’s offensive, instead of just picking on white people’s words and actions. He doesn’t care if another black person belittles his own, but he lashes out at the slightest attempt of what the white man will say or do.

Was Imus wrong? Sure. He should have never said it to begin with, however, there are far worse things he has said, yet he was never picked on because of it. There are far more worse things that other people have said, yet there are no repercussions. Imus has been on the radio for forty years- and these four words (those nappy headed-hos) are going to get him suspended for two weeks. A lot of people feel he should be fired because of this.

Al Sharpton wants him fired. Imus has repeatedly said that he was sorry. Sharpton shows no sign of mercy. He chooses to not forgive, however, this man Sharpton calls himself a follower of Christ?

How ironic.


Grace said...

I couldn't agree more. I think it's ridiculous that he could get fired over this. Like I just commented at another blog: there's a radio station in my city, the announcers are sooo rude... to celebrities, to callers, and even to each other. How come when they do it everybody laughs and gets entertained, but when someone like Imus says something it's a huge controversy?! I don't really get it...

Amy said...

It is a ratings bonanza for MSNBC.

I'd be surprised if Imus gets fired and if he does, it will be because advertisers will pull out. If new ones don't jump in, he'll pop up on Sirius or XM right next to Howard Stern and he will make millions spewing his sensational vernacular. He is a shock jock and it must be a major insult to legitimate journalists that he is categorized with them.

As for the Rutgers players, they deserve a face to face apology for the racist and sexist insults thrown at them. It must have felt horrible and embarassing to be on the receiving end of such a mean-spirited and public statement.

Al Sharpton is stepping in where he sees fit, creating more of a circus, but do the girls of Rutgers want him to? I always thought Sharpton was a good guy, he's done a lot of good stuff, but he really does pick the most sensational, public battles doesn't he?

We've all said things we wish we hadn't. We are all guilty of judging people based on appearance. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Good thought provoking post Deb!

Jon said...

Imus is an idiot, and so is Sharpton. Howard Stern is no longer on regular radio, he is now on Sirius Satellite. That makes him a genius because the FCC can't touch him anymore. Is that a good thing? Yes, for those of us that like his humor. No, I don't like everything they have to say.

Imus' comment was I guess meant to be funny, but the context it was said in sure didn't seem that way, even if it was a comedy bit (it didn't seem that way to me). I think he is now too old. His senility is going to cause his premature retirement.

Of course Howard Stern's been making fun of both Imus and Sharpton today.

texasshiva said...

I would agree with you except for this: last week was not the first time Imus has said something so offensive. It's not even the most offensive thing to come from his show. How about destroying Jewish tombstones? Killing gays? Setting homeless people on fire? Sure, he's generally careful not to say these things himself. But it's his show. His guests. His guests "characters."

It's not just about 4 words. It's about a pattern,

Sue said...

Deb, I completely agree -- It is in effect a reverse racism when a black person can say it and the minute a white person says it -- it becomes offensive. I wonder....if Al had said it if anyone would have been clamoring for HIS firing.....probably not............However, I do feel the suspension is warranted. He was way off base for saying it although he says crap like this about EVERYONE and perhaps it is time for everyone to check themselves before putting words together. (speaking for myself -- I NEVER check myself but then again -- I have gotten into alot of trouble for it :))

Amy said...

What HAS Al Sharpton accomplished?

In all the cases he has protested and fought about, what has been the end result? A lot of taxpayer money going to crowd control and legal fees.

Deb, you are right, if he is a civil rights activist, why isn't he fighting for the part about ho's? That is a sexist comment and women should be outraged about that as much as anything.

Why is he only focusing on the black?

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~Deb said...

What bothers me is, Imus has apologized over and over again publicly, however this ‘so called Christian hypocrite’, Sharpton has not shown any mercy. He will not forgive. Think about this though, these women from Rutgers are intelligent, accomplished and beautiful women who have such an incredible future ahead of them.

Why do they even care what a shock jock, like Imus thinks of them?

Are they that insecure with themselves? They were publicly insulted by someone who insults everybody. When you are in the “light” and famous, you’re going to possibly get insulted. Develop a thick skin and deal with it. The women of Rutgers are better than that! Laugh at it. It has no affect on them. Let it go.

Imus apologized. Forgive…and just forget about it, because it will not harm their reputation. What will better their reputation is their forgiveness.

What will better Sharpton’s image is his forgiveness, since he’s such a religious man. But he's nothing but a hypocrite who wants to be in the limelight with every sensational black-related scandal.

Imus is all about the shock value, which is why he has controversial guests and topics. We just need to take it all with a grain of salt ...or just tune out!

Agitated Brother said...

Sharpton is the biggest racist in this Country and needs to shut up.
1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent — the crime never occurred — but Sharpton taunts him: “If we’re lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it.” Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair. 1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn’s Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin’s funeral he rails against the “diamond merchants” — code for Jews — with “the blood of innocent babies” on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, “No justice, no peace.” A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting “Kill the Jews!” and stabbed to death. 1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. “We will not stand by,” he warns malignantly, “and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy’s are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.” Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno. If Sharpton were a white skinhead, he would be a political leper, spurned everywhere but the fringe. But far from being spurned, he is shown much deference. Democrats embrace him. Politicians court him. And journalists report on his comings and goings while politely sidestepping his career as a hatemongering racial hustler.

kathi said...

I agree completely, and I agree with Joy, too. Though in music, they're referring to no one person or group of people in particular, but people in general. What Imus said would have grieved me greatly had I had a daughter on that team and I do believe I may have gone after justice on my own, whether it be a personal apology to my daughter or a monetary suit. I believe he owes the team something, but to the general population as a whole, no. Al Sharpton is choosing to make the situation worse for his own recognition and not for those that were offended.
love ya deb!

Baby Grandpa said...

It's racist because obviously since basketball is a majority black sport, he mean it it to be racist. Now, baseball - that's a majority white sport. If that comment were made by a black commentator to a white sports team, that would be totally acceptable.

If Mr. Sharpton actually listened to Don Imus every monring, he'd know Imus' show is controversial.

Sharpton never complained when Elliott (DC101) wished Juan Pablo Montoya would die. Is that because Montoya is hispanic, not black?

Eff Al Sharpton. I have NO respect for him whatsoever. All he's ever done is damage racial relations so the black race will be dominant in the United States.

Casually Me said...

Mistakes were made. However, I really wish folks would stop apologizing. You said it, you meant it...move on. Poor choice of words, agreed. Nothing that is going to change the shape of the world though. Move on. Nice post Deb.

Natalia said...

I find the whole thing ridiculous. He was wrong. He was trying to be funny and failed. But this has been blown out of proportion. Whatever happened to our right to believe and say what we wish without fear of the thought police. It's not like he incited violence. His words were no more offensive than any rap song out there. And what about all the black comedians whose whole thing is to make fun of white people? That's somehow OK. I don't get it. These people need to find something better to do.


molly said...

It's been known for years that Imus is a racist, and never once have progressives criticized Democrats for going on his show. I guess it's now better late than never.

Meanwhile progressives still suck up to both Al Sharpton after the "Tawany Brawley" incident, and to Jesse Jackson years after he called New York "Himey Town". Both just exploit race relations for personal gain, being expert shakedown artsts.

etain_lavena said...

This happens everywhere all the time....horrid in a way. Cause I say what is good for Peter is Good for Paul. Not that I say all Christians are a like, but I have never come across one that forgives, I have been shunned uppon for being diffrent mean time I was "one" of them just diffrent. So sad!
Great post..:)

tkkerouac said...

I did a post on the book called "The Secret", and one of the photographs I posted of a black woman, I wrote underneath, I'm sorry Lisa, but thats some nappy hair".
I took some flack from readers who saw this, and others were amused.
But its true, we can poke fun at ourselves, our own faults and be amused when other races poke fun at us. But when a white person pokes fun a black person, be it even in a humourous way, it becomes an issue. I don't really get that.
Calling a women in public a HO, I take issue with.

Monica said...

What if he had refered to a team of mid-western chicks as "blonde bimbos"
Would the reaction have been the same?
At least "ho's" get paid for sex---smarter than the bimbos who do it for free...and I saw those girls--none of them had nappy hair, they all looked recently permed, styled and well cared for.

Charm School Reject said...

Al Sharpton and "reverand" Jesse Jackson are two of the most hypocritical, slanderous, self serving men in the entire world.

They will jump on any slight grevience and turn it into the political debate of the century.

Do I think this Imus guy was rude? Yes. But do I think that Sharpton is turning this into a bigger deal than it needs to be? Heck yes.

Deb, you, my dear, are a genius.

They should be more worried about Black on Black violence and the image that is portrayed through their "cultural" music (rap) and then start worrying about other people. Its like the old saying of "If you don't love you, why should I?"

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

I came to the same conclusion as Rosie O’Donnell several years ago. Yeah, Ismus violated the rules of political correctness, but the uproar seems to be too great for the sin.

TrappedInColorado said...

Well spoken, Deb. I could not have said it better myself. Ofcourse, I can not say anything you say better myself. :)

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

Don Imus’ sponsors are a bunch of wimps. They want to back out because they’re scared of being a supporter of a racist, when in fact, the real racist here is Al Sharpton. Imus commented on the team’s hair and made the poor decision of calling them hos. Fine. But, didn’t the sponsors already have a clue of what Imus was all about to begin with? For the love of God---he’s been on the air for 40 years! These sponsors are merely followers who back out at the slightest scandal. Cowards in my opinion.

What about that Dave Chapelle guy? He makes fun of white people all the time on his stand up comedy routine, yet no one stands at ‘our’ side – we have no ‘white’ Al Sharpton figure to defend us when we’re insulted.

Anyway, thanks for all your input!

J R Estelle said...

Sharpton never opens his mouth until it's taken as "white against black", then he's a lot of flamboyance and hot air. Let's look at this, shall we.

Tawana Brawley -
Sharpton, Maddox and Mason were later successfully sued for statements made in connection with the case, and ordered to pay $345,000 in damages. All three falsely accused the case prosecutor, Steven Pagones, as being among those who abducted and raped Brawley.[6]The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one. [7]

And...The Crown Heights Riot
Al Sharpton became the de-facto representative for the Cato family. During the funeral he referred to "diamond merchants" considered a code word for Hasidic Jews [11] [12], for shedding "the blood of innocent babies" leading marchers shouting "No Justice No Peace". Sharpton did not start the riots but his rhetoric was seen as inflammatory and unhelpful in easing the tension between the black and Jewish communities. A visiting rabbinical student from Australia by the name of Yankel Rosenbaum, 29 years old, was killed during the rioting by a mob shouting "Kill the Jew". [13]

LoanMax Spokesman
In November 2005, Sharpton appeared in advertisements for LoanMax, an automobile title loan company. Sharpton was criticized for appearing in the ads, as LoanMax has been accused of predatory lending charging fees, and for marketing them to primarily poor, urban and African American audiences. The ads featuring Sharpton were run in predominantly African American markets.[14]

And yet, Sharpton wants IMUS to resign?

Crassius Maximus said...

I can't figure out why people bitch about African Americans calling each other the n word, and saying "they do it to each other so why can't we use the word?" It's like they feel like they are getting cheated out of saying the word. Why is there this desire to say the word anyway? If ONE African American is offended by me saying the word, that's good enough for me, as I have no great desire to use it any way.

Seven said...

Being of mixed race I occupy a unique seat on this type of cultural issue.
You have landed on an important point. It's easy to call people idiots, but the real truth is that Sharpton, Imus, Jesse Jackson and other destroyers of our culture are quite smart. The problem at play is money. Sharpton and Jackson earn a living by extortion throuh promoting and enhancing racism. Imus and Stern earn a living by oral sensationalism directed at our baser instinct. The fault lies with those of our culture (we the people) that support them by listening to their show or accepting either Sharpton or Jackson as a legitimate black leader.
I don't have a 'nappy' head, but my sister does. She can't help it.
To be a 'ho' is a life choice. I see Imus, Stern, Sharpton and Jackson have made a free will choice to be our cultures largest "HO'S"

~Deb said...

It’s true though, in the black community, they have the right to say the ‘n’ word, which a white person would be seen as a racist saying such a thing. I doubt that when someone brings that issue up, it’s not out of feeling ‘cheated’, it’s the question of, why are blacks calling one another the very name that they hate?

We make fun of Donald Trump’s hair, we kid around about people who are bald, etc. Once the word ‘nappy’ comes into play, it’s a whole racist scandal. I think the real issue here is the word “ho” that I personally was offended by, but if you listened to the ‘way’ he was saying it- it was meant to be funny. But, it wasn’t. He shouldn’t have said it at all. It was a poor choice of words, however, a thick skin needs to be applied on the basketball team. They know they’re brilliant, beautiful and talented---so why bother with a shock jock over this? Blow it off. It’s not worth it!

And yes, I think the whole concept of money plays a huge role with Sharpton. He’s like an ambulance chaser, except running after black people who were offended, or feel that they were a victim of racism. He doesn’t usually investigate all that much before diving into these scandals.

He’s a weasel.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, lets kill off that "freedom of speech" nonsense..

...and while we are at it...how about all those "Hymie Town" comments..let get rid of that guy

...and the Twany Brawly comments and court cases to ruin lives...lets kill off that talk ,too

..how about those anti woemen lyrics in the rap songs...and the cop killer lyrics..let s kill that off too..

.and no more comedy routines by George Lopez and how "the Mexicans already won their country back" and dumbs ass whites need to, shut up, move away and forget it...thats gotta go too...

how about those "cracker " jokes? Make all those guys resign...

...white nigger comments by govt offcials.? Regsign....

and don't get me started on the Jews...(dig up Rodney Dangerfield and fire him too..)

If this is an example of progressive policy..

...well, "let go get them and kill them all.."...round them up and build a camp, I say...

to save the country, of course, from all that talk, since we all take progressives so seriously....and all their, er, hype, er, facts, er, whatever, dude...

This is part of the "Fairtness Doctorine", right?

GW Mush said...

we could all get together at Hooter's restaurant and discuss this matter further?

To complicate matters, I have reason to believe that Don Imus is the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby, and that Imus & Donald Trump get their eybrows trimmed by the same barber:)

Jon said...

I think the fact that some comedians joke about other races is fine as long as they joke about their own. Dave Chapelle messes with blacks as much as he messes with any other race, so I would leave him out of it.

Catch said...

any black can use the n word...but do not let a white person do it! That would be one of us "honkys"!

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The Rev. Dr. Kate said...

I heard a discussion about this matter among black journalists the night before last. They are upset with both Sharpton and Imus - and all three of them made the point that while we believe in "free" speech the right to degrading speech, whether of ourselves or others, is not one any of us should want or exercise. They took the black community to task for the way in which it treats its own women. I think this incident reveals a deeper problem about racism and sexism- and that the black community has internalized its oppression in its language (the "n" word, calling its women "ho's", etc.) is an indication of how isidious the problem is.
I am appalled by shock jocks of alls tripes and don't listen to talk radio because I cannot stand people of any race, class, gender or political party abusing one another for enterainment value. We have the right to speak about our different opinions and argue for or against our positions on the issue, but I take very seriously the vow I made at my baptism, confirmation and ordination to "respect the dignity of every human being." I believe that means I must look for the humanity in others- even if I disagree with them - and that I do not have the right to use my freedom of speech to degrade them. In the end, I fall back on what my mother and grandmother taught me, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!"

~Deb said...

Imus makes fun of his own as well- making jokes about ‘white trash’ or whatever he goes on and on about- so I won’t leave Dave Chapelle out of it. He’s just as bad- if not worse. Now, you have nothing but black girls protesting for Imus to lose his job. I hope that the ‘intelligent & beautiful’ basketball team is satisfied with someone who’s expected to tell bad jokes about people. It’s been his job for forty years.

Unfortunately, words spew out regardless if they’re nice or not for comedic purposes. Someone’s going to find it offensive. Someone’s going to just blow it off. It’s up to you whether or not you want to take it to heart, or just let it go. We can’t get so stirred up every time we hear an offensive term. But, with a sincere apology, we ‘should’ forgive.

“The peacock has spread its wings correctly!” ~Al Sharpton

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Bossy♥'s YOU said...

I think what Imus said was a bit stupid, but I do not see it as a racially motivated statement, and frankly I think everyone has taken it a bit too far. As u say, he is a shock jock...he has said worse statments in his 40 years of radio, this was tame.

I think people lile Al SHarpton are looking for ways to get their names out there and to make mountiains out of molehills.

I personally did not find what he said offense, stupid, yes...but there are white girls on this team, so its not like he was singling the black people out..

I went to school with a girl, I use to call her nappy on a dialy basis...(she was white, we all were at our school) she was ugly and had the nappiest hair..so me and all my friends started calling her nappy.

anyway, now that MSNBC has fired Imus, it has gone way too far..Imus needs to move his show to statllite radio like Howard did. Before we know it, Mr Shaprton is going to take away our freedom of speech. If u dont like what they are saying, trun the damn radio off..

there I am done:)

[eric] said...

Ugh, I am so tired of this story, but I have to comment.

I am going to quote Sean Hannity here, (yeah, that one) and say, "Let the free market decide." Instead of outright banning him off the airwaves, let the advertisers and the people decide what to do with him (and it looks like the already have).

N. said...

First off, I must say, I love your blog! And I totally agree with Agitated Brother. Why do people put up with his (and Jesse Jackson's) nonsense? It's offensive to me, as a white man, to implicitly suggest that as a "civil rights leader", that he speaks for "the black community". That's like suggesting David Duke speaks for all white people. It's asinine. Sharpton and Jackson do more than anyone else in this country to damage race relations. It's disgusting.

Bossy♥'s YOU said...

I see he has been fired..its such a shame..

I want to know where Al Sharpton was when a black stripper accused three white boys of rapeing her...Why does he not see injustice in that?

I say Mr Sharpton may be a bit of a racist.

He is no man of God if u ask me.