Tuesday, August 22, 2006

What Does It All Mean?

Interpretation may seem frustrating to many when it comes to bible scriptures. Even when theologians and “bible thumpers” will only focus on the surface of the meaning and not the core, we can be persuaded very easily to believe the basics.

Is God basic? Wouldn’t you think there would be a deeper meaning into His word? Even so, the bible I have is the New Living Testament {NLT}—which is translated into modern English. The bible has been translated so many times, that it tends to lose some of its meaning.

For example: Madelene will tell me something in Spanish. She’s desperately trying to teach me Spanish the best she could. She’ll blurt out, “Lo que mata engorda,” when we’re eating something that I think isn’t ‘too good’. It means, whatever won’t kill you, will make you fat. Now, it sounds funny and amusing in Spanish, but in English, there’s a little something lost in its translation. It sounds kind of stupid in English. I don’t want to die from the food we eat, nor do I want to get fat from it. So I have no idea why this saying is so funny and cute. It scares me!

Interpretation is key. Just as it says in the first Corinthians about sexual immorality:

“Don’t you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshippers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers—none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God” ~1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Radical cult-like Christians will fire this off to the gay and lesbian community as a warning that they’re not getting into heaven. But, they fail to read off the next verse:

“There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you.” ~1 Corinthians 6-11

Idol worshippers {putting anything before God or worshipping another God} can be seen as many things. Some people even put off going to church to take care of their toddlers at home. Some don’t attend church due to everyday life that gets in the way. So, in some people’s eyes, that’s idol worshipping—even though these people love God with all their heart. Do you think they’re going to hell because of this?

Adulterers. Clearly we all know what this word means. This is having an extramarital affair. This hurts, and it hurts the entire family involved. In the bible, it does state that anyone who marries a divorcee can be considered an adulterer if their ex-spouse is still alive. So then, do they still go to hell? Maybe just a huge sign with a letter “A” may get thrown around their neck. What year is it?

Male prostitutes. Clearly this is self-explanatory. Making a buck to have sex is not out of love. (Mike, you better change your career! I’m running out of money.)

Homosexuals. Oooh the word makes those radical Christian holy rollers shiver with disgust. But, what they are coinciding this with is prostitution as well as sexual immorality—promiscuity. To have sex with absolutely anyone or any gender.

For instance:

“That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.” ~Romans 1: 26-27

All of this is out of promiscuity. It clearly states that they “burned with lust”. Two people who love one another in a monogamous relationship do not burn together in their lust as the foundation of their union. Yes, there are promiscuous homosexuals out there, as well as promiscuous heterosexuals too. So for me, to interpret this “popular scripture” for those who hate homosexuals, I would definitely say that this stems from the lack of self-control of sexual desire. This is not of love; this is lust. Back in the Roman days when they had wild orgies and ran around having sex with anyone and everyone—this tells me they’re referencing the scriptures during that time period.

The Ten Commandments which Christians, Catholics and many other religions based on the trinity believe:

1. "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me... .."
This commandment is to believe in the existence of God and His influence on events in the world, and that the goal of the redemption from Egypt was to become His servants (Rashi). It prohibits belief in or worship of any additional deities.

2. "Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
This prohibits the construction or fashioning of "idols" in the likeness of created things (beasts, fish, birds, people) and worshipping them.

3. "Thou shalt not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..."
This commandment is to never take the name of God in a vain, pointless or insincere oath (Rashi). This includes four types of prohibited oaths: an oath affirming as true a matter one knows to be false, an oath that affirms the patently obvious, an oath denying the truth of a matter one knows to be true, and an oath to perform an act that is beyond one's capabilities.

4. "Remember [zachor] the Sabbath day and keep it holy" (the version in Deuteronomy reads shamor, "observe")
The seventh day of the week is termed Shabbat and is holy, just as God ceased creative activity during Creation. The aspect of zachor (remember) is performed by declaring the greatness of the day (kiddush), by having three festive meals and by engaging in Torah study and pleasurable activities. The aspect of shamor is performed by abstaining from productive activity (the 39 melachot, forbidden categories of work) on the Shabbat.

5. "Thou shalt honor your father and your mother..."
The obligation to honor one's parents is an obligation that one owes to God and fulfills this obligation through one's actions towards one's parents.

6. "Thou shalt not murder"
Killing an innocent human being is a capital sin.

7. "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
Adultery is defined as sexual intercourse with a married woman who is not your wife (Rashi).

8. "Thou shalt not steal."
This is not understood as stealing in the conventional sense, since theft of property is forbidden elsewhere and is not a capital offense. In this context it is to be taken as "do not kidnap" (Rashi).

9. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor"
One must not bear false witness in a court of law or other proceeding.

10. "Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's house..."
One is forbidden to desire and plan how one may obtain that which God has given to another. Maimonides makes a distinction in codifying the laws between the instruction given here in Exodus (You shall not covet) and that given in Deuteronomy (You shall not desire), according to which one does not violate the Exodus commandment unless there is a physical action associated with the desire, even if this is legally purchasing an envied object.

So is a sin a sin? Each sin is considered equal. What about those who say a white lie, eat shellfish, gossip, look at another woman or man—with sexual desire, but without the sexual ‘action’? What about someone who marries a divorcee? Has anyone ever had an impure thought? Drunkards are supposed to be doomed and go to hell. Who made water into wine again?

The above paragraph has just wiped out the entire world. Are we all going to hell? Are we all doomed? The bible is a great source for living your life, but without deeper interpretation of it all, it can really pursuade you to call on another God—or lose your faith all together. God doesn’t want that. The devil will place people in your life to tell you to find another religion. Who would even say that? I was recently told to find another religion simply because I’m ‘another sinner’.

Jesus said, “If anyone should cause one of these little ones to turn away from his faith in me, it would be better for that man to have a large millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the deep sea." ~Luke 17: 1-2

For all the gay men and lesbian women who have emailed me with your comments regarding my previous post, I wanted to write something especially for you. I want to encourage you to keep strong in your faith as Christians, and not listen to those who are quick to judge. God loves all of you--not just some of you. God created you in His own image. He knew we would all be sinners, which is why He gave us Jesus.

Remember, whenever someone preaches the gospel with hatred or condemnation for others, it simply means it’s coming from an evil place; an evil mind. They don’t want to help you—they want to bring your spirit down. For thousands of years, bigots and racists have been torturing those who want to live a happy life. Hypocrites and evil people who “claim to be Christians” (ie: The Klu Klux Klan) will try to persuade you into having their type of mindset.

I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from His love. Death can’t, and life can’t. The angels can’t, and the demons can’t. Our fears for today, our worries about tomorrow, and even the powers of hell can’t keep God’s love away. ~Romans 8:38

What does it all mean? God loves each and every one of you. Nothing can ever take that away—not a person, not the devil nor the world. Keep strong in your faith and never let anyone bring your spirit down. Meditate before reading the bible. Pray to God, and ask for wisdom and understanding. Then you will see the true meaning of it all. The only reason I feel so strong about this, is because I had spiritual experiences of my own, that led me to believe that the bible is all about interpretation if you have the spiritual understanding behind it. God gives us messages, if we’re willing to receive them.

There were some of you who have emailed me, asking if I was disturbed by someone who has been blogging about me—whose religion is based upon hate. My answer is no. I find it interesting how someone who claims to be Christian will follow the patterns of every hateful person. But remember this:

God blesses you when you are mocked and persecuted and lied about because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted, too. ~Matthew 5:11-12

Thank you all for your support and wonderful emails and comments that I received! Those of you who emailed me, but didn't want to comment due to the nature of who it was directed to--I totally understand and I thank you for your encouragement and support.

God bless!

EDIT: Please also visit Amy's post on the dangers of radical Christians and their agendas. She has footage of what lengths these extremists will go through in order to serve "their God". These people are grateful that our 'gay soldiers' are now dead.


Jaded&Opinionated said...

The fact is that in ancient times, most people were illiterate. The responsibility of writing down the stories now contained in the Bible fell on the shoulders of those who were able to write. They wrote down the stories they were told, and, unfortunately, it became quite like the old "Whisper Down The Lane" game. The spirit of the original statement remains the same, but there is some discrepancy in the exact words.

There are more discrepancies between the earliest texts and the current incarnation of the Bible than there are words in entire Bible. The evangelicals cling desperately to the King James version, which is a bad translation of a bad translation. Does that mean that it's wrong? No. It just means, in my mind, that the spirit of God's word remains whole, but you can't hold each word as being spoken by God, Himself. There is too much room for human error.

The conservative evangelical movement has its roots in mid-1700's England, a mere 250 years ago. Christ died more than 2000 years ago. If these evangelicals are right, then even those who wrote the Bible had it wrong. They didn't. There's a book called "Misquoting Jesus" that studies this very thing. I found it interesting. In doing his research, the author lost his faith. In reading it, it only strengthened mine. It's all in the interpretation, as you said.

Bossy♥'s YOU said...

I heart you Deb...

rock on:)

Johnnie Avocado said...
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Johnnie Avocado said...

I had added a comment, and I wasn't aware of the history going on here, so I removed it, because after reading more on here, I realized it would be taken wrong. I hope you had a chance to read my comments though.

Some Christians think it is their job to save people, and just remember that Dani is doing what she thinks is right. I'm sorry that this "exchange" is happening this way.

Jaded&Opinionated said...

It's absolutely untrue that the Bible of today is very accurate when compared to the earliest texts. There are volumes and volumes written on the discrepancies alone. And while the Codex V and Codex S are two of the earliest complete or nearly complete versions, they aren't the earliest texts, period. The King James version isn't based on either of those documents. KJ is based on the Textus Receptus, and it's not the original KJ translation of 1611. Today's KJ Bible is based on the 1769 Oxford edition, and there were more than 75 THOUSAND changes made from the 1611 translation. There are more than 5 thousand Greek New Testament documents, and only a fraction of them were consulted to make a complete translation to English. And it is absolutely true that most people could neither read nor write during the time of Christ and for many years after.

Even Christian scholars admit that they don't know who wrote the New Testament. They also agree that if the four gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, they had to be written in Hebrew, the language spoken by these men. Yet, no Hebrew manuscripts exist, only Greek. These men didn't speak Greek, so how could they have written their testamonies in Greek, especially since the first Greek texts didn't appear until more than 100 years AFTER The death of Christ?

Matthew, Mark and Luke speak nothing of salvation by faith and atonement, only that if we forgive others, God will forgive us. John doesn't agree. He says that we must believe in Christ as the savior, we must be born again, drink the blood and eath the flesh of Christ. This is the first doctrine of atonement. So, if the first three are right, John was wrong. If John was written by an inspired man, the other men were not inspired by God. Or maybe, more than 100 years later, something was lost in the translation. The spirit remains intact.

Sorry for the long comment, Deb. But it irks me when misinformation is given with such authority so as to make someone else feel inferior in their faith. We are to spread the Word, not beat people over the head with it.

Video X said...

YOU ARE EFFING KIDDING ME! Well...I've been out of blogworld for a bit...and still will be...but i popped over and see that yet A-FREAKING-GAIN this nonsense is going on. I really wish she would just leave you alone. Debate is one thing...makes us think...attacking you is B.S. I HATE IT.

kathi said...

I don't pretend to be smart, lol, I'm actually not smart enough to even pretend to be smart. But, what I do know is that if we let those who come against us lessen the love we have in our heart or lessen the love we're to show one another, then satan has won the battle.
His mercy and grace is enough for me, I don't need anyone elses approval. Much love to you darlin.

anna said...

Deb, I heart you, your obvious strength, intelligence, and compassion. Hell with any insane beotch "CHRISTIANS"!!!! God, I grit my teeth as I write that. My little Southern town is full of 'em, pitchforks in hand, so I can understand the stupidity.

Walk proud my Yankee girlfriend!!

Pittchick said...

Wow. I go away for a few days and the whole Deb/Dani thing apparently heated up again.
I'm so sorry this is something you have to live with, Deb.
I'm with Video on this one. Why can't we all just get along?
Sending hugs form Pittsburgh...

Johnnie Avocado said...

See Deb, that's the reason I pulled my post.

Miss 1999 said...

"Remember, whenever someone preaches the gospel with hatred or condemnation for others, it simply means it’s coming from an evil place; an evil mind. They don’t want to help you—they want to bring your spirit down."

Amen Sister! This was a wonderful post. So many people preach "Hellfire and Damnation" without giving a second thought to what God really expects of us. You're so right, if we were all judged by the standards of some- we're ALL hellbound!

~Deb said...

I don’t mean to belittle the bible or say that all of it is untrue, however years and years by different men writing each book can have its questions. All scripture is inspired by God, but the deeper interpretation of it gets lost in translation. That’s why I think it’s important to pray and meditate before opening up the bible.

Johnnie, I’m not sure what post you were referring to. I didn’t receive any deleted post in my inbox and not sure what you mean when you say it would have been taken wrong. If you'd like, email me what you wrote so I can understand better.

What Dani is doing is drawing people further away from God. For me? I only draw closer. Dani said that I should leave Christianity altogether and how I’m a mockery to God. So then, if she told some weak Christian who happens to be gay to leave Christianity---because he/she isn’t acceptable, they probably would. This is the very reason why the gay and lesbian community feels so inferior to religion. In fact---religion is just a bad word period---they feel insecure about going to God due to what other Christians will judge them by.

Again, it’s all about casting the first stone. Jesus would never have come across so hateful as she did.

God . . . is . . . love!

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

Excellent exegesis! Thank you, Deb.

Biblical interpretation is as much as art as it is a skill. When I exegete a text, even though I read—no, I don’t speak them—Greek, Hebrew, Latin and Arabic, I always refer to the translations and interpretations of others. I think it is especially important to consult others who are not English speakers and are of a different place and time than I.

All interpretation is influenced by the time and place of the one doing the exegesis. I am a Caucasian male who was born in the United States in the middle of the Twentieth Century. I am influenced by that, as well as my own personal history and the contemporary events of the world. That influence comes out in my exegesis, no matter how objective I attempt to be.

Some theologians will tell you that the word of God never changes. That may be true—and it may not be. The Bible tells us that God can—and has—changed her/his mind. Likewise, whoever is interpreting God’s word can change their minds: take Augustine and Luther as examples.

There is one more thing about interpretation that fundamentalists usually ignore: God did not stop speaking to us when those scholars put together the canon of the Bible 18 or 19 hundred years ago. As we of the United Church of Christ are crying out to the world: “God is still speaking! Listen!”

Or, as Isaiah (43:18-19) put it: “Do not remember the former things, or consider the things of old. I am about to do a new thing; now it springs forth, do you not perceive it?”

Or (my favorite), as Gracie Allen said to George: “Never put a period where God put a coma.”

The Rev. Dr. Kate said...

Deb - AMEN!! This is a wonderful and well-thought out post. The passage you quoted from Romans is my favorite and it sums it all up -"NOTHING CAN SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD! I just visited your blog for the first time today, so I don't know much about you - but have you considered preaching as a vocation?
Keep the faith. I am sure Jesus has a place for everyone at his table!

Maddie said...

There is so many variables involved in translations, and the execution thereof. Even the very fact that it is the divine word of God put to paper as our life manual is mindblowing. But, the most basic premise, that "God is love" and that He guides us through life with the Word and from the inside, through "the Holy Spirit". Through meditation and devoting time to Him through scripture and prayer, as you said Deb, is how you know that you know. I am by no means a theologian or biblical scholar. But I have and do study the Word and He makes everything know to the individual whom He drawers near. Not because of your lot in life, or an education or lack thereof, or social standing. We are loving, feeling, apple's to Jesus's eyes! Through acceptance of Him, all condemnation and judgement is gone, and heavy burdens with it. Thank God!

Crassius Maximus said...

No doubt, D, lost in the translation is an understatement. Having been married to a Puerto Rican girl, I get that not all translations can be exact and literal, so how can the Bible be much different? It was written and translated by men, so in my opinion, it's full of passages that are open to interpretation.

Anonymous said...

God loves all sinners, (the proud, the selfish, the covetous, the mean, the hateful, and the immoral) so much that He made it possible for each of us to be forgiven our sins and have a meaningful relationship with Him. The only thing that prevents us from this relationship is not accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. In fact, Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world, he came into this world because he loved us not because he hates us. He said, "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." He came, "to seek and to save that which was lost."

In fact, the Bible tells us that God loves us so much that even though He doesn't approve of our conduct at times, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to suffer and die for our sins. In fact, the Bible tells us that we are not really responsible for the fact that we have a sinful nature. We inherited it from our grandfather, Adam. Because of that one man's sin, sin entered the world and we all became sinners.

Explains a lot, huh?

Dr. Deborah Serani said...

I find the expressions from other languages so interesting. I love words, so I guess that's why. A Persian friend once told me "She wanted to eat my liver". Thank good it means to enjoy being in your company, and not that she was getting Hannibal LEcter on me!

samuru999 said...

Your posts always inspire me to be a better person than I am now!
You are truly amazing!
Bless you!

Madelene Rose said...

Lazos de amor... That TOTALLY gets lost in translation.. TRANSLATION SUCKS!! IT KEEPS LOSING MY LAUNDRY, MY MONEY, WHAT'S LEFT OF MY WITS, MY SHOES!! I am soooo gonna sue translation Deb! Even those who totally ignore my READINGS! ugh! (Uses a Hillary Banks attitude - Fresh Prince's cousin)

Seriously, what's lazos de amor? I don't get it... There's a song by Lucero called the prior Spanish statement. Anyway, I'm going now!

*dramatic exit*

Madelene Rose said...

Plus... Obsession with people's sex life isn't healthy... So, I usually stay out of people's sex life. Although, I am always interested in gossip...

So... Basically.. people obsessing about your sex life oughta get their own, don't u think? Debbie Deb Deb?

Video X said...

deb i truly believe this woman will mess with you until the end of time if she has the chance. i can just tell she is the type who has to have the last word no matter what it is about. she knows no humility. not good. nutso actually.

Laura Elizabeth said...

Judge not, lest ye be judged, and found wanting in the eyes of the Lord. **

It's insulting to refer to her as such, but, my late Grandmother could be described as a Fundamentalist Christian. A woman of very deep faith, of powerful beliefs, rooted in the bible. When she encountered contradictions to those beliefs - abortion, homosexuality... in short all the things the Fundies scream about - she would say Judge not, lest ye be judged, and found wanting in the eyes of the Lord **. Trying to force someone onto her spiritual path seemed wrong to her, I guessing.

I'm not much of a Christian any longer. I believe in god... but the bible (torah, koran, etc) was written by men. I have no doubt they strongly believed in what they wrote, but I cannot believe it comes from god. It comes from man. As such, it's flawed and reflects the time of the authors and has little bearing on my life.

The paths we choose to follow are our own. Each is valid. Each faith has truth to impart to us. We should all worry more about our own, individual, connection to the divine and less about anyone elses.

** That's not the proper biblical quote - that's just what she said. I think the proper quote comes from Matthew.

Anonymous said...

i am terribly sorry, but the bible especially the New Testament has been WAY too modified and translated according to wrong interpretation that it is difficult to say that anything can be based upon it. perhaps the original greek versions would be of more help. explore other religions. Jesus is not God. He was not crucified. he was a prophet.nothing justifies doing whatever the heck you want. succumbing to your desires to this extent shows an astounding level of ignorance in the homosexual "world".homosexuality is wrong and immoral. Deb your interpretations and theories are painfully weak, stupid and pathetic.
You all sound worse than a bunch of kids. religion is a healthy way of life, for God does not benefit from us. it is all for our sake. why cant people understand that what has been set for us is for our own good and not an obstacle?!! so stupid!

Kevin said...

Great post!
And what is it with anonymous (posted right before me)? And why does this person post anonymously??? The original (well, not THE original) Greek does help, and there are many problems with translating the words from 1 Cor. 6:9-10, especially what was translated as 'male prostitutes' and 'homosexuals.' People have written tons just on these words and what they might have meant.
And to clarify for 'anonymous', we do not have the original Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. The oldest scrap we have is from the middle of the 100's--over 100 years after the death of Christ. So there is no telling 100% what the original said. And there are over 5,000 bits and pieces of manuscripts of the New Testament, and many disagree with one another. So much for knowing what the original actually said...

DaBich said...

I know it's a little late, but better than never. Visit this site:
It's a fellow blogger, name of Jason, his site is wonderful, and he has FOUR posts dedicated to what his take is on the Bible, Jesus, and homosexuality. Jason's view is wonderfully down to earth, as is his wit and dry humor.
Stand firm in your beliefs. You have a great CHRISTIAN heart and that's more than I can say for those who throw insults your way and pass judgment. AS IF anyone has that right.
(Can ya tell I'm NO good with links LOL)

DaBich said...

"Jesus is not God. He was not crucified. he was a prophet.nothing justifies doing whatever the heck you want. succumbing to your desires to this extent shows an astounding level of ignorance in the homosexual "world".homosexuality is wrong and immoral. Deb your interpretations and theories are painfully weak, stupid and pathetic.
Too bad anonymous won't tell us who he/she is and is so stupid as to hide behind a facade.
Just because you say, Anonymous, that Jesus isn't God, doesn't mean that it is so. Just because you think Deb and some others are stupid doesn't mean that it is so. However, your narrowmindedness and innate meanness is SHOWING US ALL how hateful you are. Jesus is love. God is love. That is something YOU are not.
have a nice day.

johnny-boy said...

Hi I have a question about your blog... You said that sin is sin right? And that is totaly true are you saying homosexuality is a sin? It just isn't clear to me. I want you to understand though I am not judging you at all. I see homosexuality as big a sin as lust or adultry... sin is sin... if that is what you stuggle with then that is okay as long as it is somthing you are working through not living in. We all strugle with sin and it is also our choice to not live in it!

~Deb said...


As in many of my posts, I believe that our carnal nature--we are "all" sinners....however when two people love one another with all their hearts----not lusting or prostituting, then how can that be a sin? But it is.

If you marry a woman who is a divorcee----YOU are commiting adultery.

If you eat shellfish, that's a sin.

If you look at a woman with lustful eyes (thinking she's hot or whatever) that alone, is a sin.

Gossip? Ever done that before? Yep--that's a sin too.

Premarital sex. Tell me you never did this? Or someone you know hasn't? Another big sin. *sigh*

So we're "all living in sin". Who isn't?

Are you without sin? I'm not judging or insinuating that you're a sinner---the bible tells us that we all are. And that's okay. God knew we would fall short. That's why He gave us His only son.

If we love God, and focus on God first--then that's the key of having a personal relationship with Him.

As you said, if we all struggle with sin and it's our choice to not live in it---another sin will take its place.

So tell me, how does one become perfect?

It's literally impossible if we remain in our physical being.

Thank you for commenting. :)

johnny-boy said...

I was thinking of what you said and I just wanted to point out that we all have sin just tearing us from Father God... but look at psalm 51:16-17
"16For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it;
you will not be pleased with a burnt offering.
17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise." ESV

It says right there that God wants our heart and spirit but just more than just our heart he want our heart broken and contrite to him.

My point is no matter the sin we have in our lives this is what God desires from us a broken spirit and broken and contrite heart.

Deb I just wanted to say one last thing, it grinds me when people focus on others sin and don’t see the person underneath. It kills me to see others make odd faces at kids that wear back, or people that have a different lifestyles than they do. So deb I want to say sorry for peoples close mindedness and them not loving you as Christ instructed us to...
Thanks deb for you strait forwardness in all of this..