Is Homosexuality a Perversion?
You left a fairly lengthy comment on my blog back in March about homosexual statistics and for some reason blogger never notified me through email and I just stumbled across it the other day. Generally when someone takes so much time to leave a comment I like to respond, so my apologies for not getting back to you sooner. Thanks for taking the time to comment. In the future, feel free to send me an email directly if I don’t respond in a timely manner. You said that you think these ‘statistics’ are a bit off, because there are many heterosexuals that have had numerous partners…ie: prostitutes, people from broken homes, and other factors. While I don’t know the details of all the statistics, generally speaking I believe the stats are fairly accurate. I will agree with you that many heterosexuals have had numerous partners because I was one of them, and I even contracted STD’s from male partners. I also crossed over into the homosexual lifestyle for a time and participated in orgies and other perversions. But, thankfully through Christ I have been freed from that sinful lifestyle and I am happily married with three children.
Repeatedly, you said that you cannot judge, but Jesus says to “Judge with righteous judgment.” Time and time again Christians are commanded to judge, in fact, there is an entire book called Judges if you recall. Don’t get caught up in the cliché of “Do not judge” as it is not biblical. If you want to read further here is a great commentary => JUDGE RIGHTLY I noticed your attempt to justify your relationship with your “partner” because you didn’t fit into the category ‘of what homosexuals do’ and since you love each other and are committed to each other you think God will accept you. Yes, we all sin, like you stated. We all have had impure thoughts, we have all said a white lie here and there, we have all idolized at one time or another; which is in the category of sinning. But, the Bible is clear about sexual immorality and it has no place in God’s kingdom.You then made several references to symbolic laws in the OT about eating shellfish and women on her menstrual period and equated it as being just as “bad” as being a homosexual. Clearly there is nothing morally wrong about eating shellfish and God instituted those laws for symbolic reasons during that time.
The OT also says, “Do not murder” and “Do not commit adultery” shall we ignore those laws because it was written before Jesus’ time? You said, “If you have discernment, you should realize that the Old Testament is strictly for the time before Jesus. The Old Testament is a good tool for learning the past history of what went on in the beginning of time.”
The Apostle Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:16 -- “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.” You focused heavily on OT verses in an attempt to justify living in sin with your partner, assuming the OT laws about homosexuality are no longer applicable. But, what do you have to say about the verses in the NT that clearly condemn homosexuality? This is what Paul says in Romans 1:18-27 -- “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness…Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools…Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever… For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.”
I Corinthians 6:8-10 – “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.” Further, it is not just homosexuality, it is ALL sexual immorality (fornication, adultery, incest, ect.) Paul warns us again in I Corinthians 6:18-20 – “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.”
So not only are you sinning against God by fornicating and practicing homosexuality, you are sinning against your own body. In closing you asked, “do you think God is going to throw us ALL in hell?” Well, this is what Jesus says in Revelation 21:8 – “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, SEXUALLY IMMORAL, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 22:14-15 – “Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and SEXUALLY IMMORAL and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
If you truly love God with all your heart like you claim, you should REPENT of your perverted lifestyle and humbly go before God and seek forgiveness. I only say this to you in a spirit of love and respect, in hopes that you will see the Truth and no longer blaspheme the name of our LORD.
I replied back to her. I just find it so sad that these ‘so called Christians’ who walk in love---have so much hate. They focus so much on homosexuality—that they literally forget their relationship with God almost.
My question is to you-----why do you focus so much on homosexuality? Why does it overtake your whole entire relationship with God?
In the Ten Commandments, does it say one thing about thou shall not commit homosexuality? ....No.
What about the seven deadly sins? None focus on homosexuality. Lust comes in both--hetero and homo.
If "you" walk in love, do you seriously think that Jesus would be acting the way you are? Are you trying to be "Christ-like" by judging others? I've noticed that a lot of Christian extremists are full of hate. They are discriminating and they spew hatred for those who are different. Jesus would never do that--nor would He be smiling down on you by your behavior towards the gay community.
9 our of 10 people have had premarrital sex. That alone is a sin. Do you think each and every one of those people are going to hell? Of course not.
To walk in love means to do just that... To be accepting and to love one another regardless of sins. It's to show compassion to those who suffer with sin---which means everybody. We are all suffering on this earth from sin. Our carnal nature vs. the spirit is a constant battle.
Can you throw the first stone?
Remember in the book of John, where the woman was caught in adultery? A crowd brought her to Jesus so she could be stoned. Jesus asked them, "Those of you who have never sinned throw the first stone..." They all scattered away. Not one accuser was able to do this.
Everyone is a sinner. Everyone shares the struggle; you, me, and everybody on this earth.
Walk in love. Try showing some acceptance and try focusing on 'your life' and 'your struggles' instead of trying to hurt people by claiming they live a perverted lifestyle. We are not hurting anyone. Are we hurting you? Have you been hurt by homosexuals? Do they try to hunt you down and kill you? Of course not. Do they say hateful words to you? Have you had a horrible experience with a gay person? What's all the hatred about?
The type of Christianity you follow isn't one that walks in love. It walks in hate. I feel bad for you, because you're more stressed about other people's lifestyle than your own. Do you know that 'hate in your heart' will eventually kill you inside? Do you realize how much hate manifests itself if it's not controlled? And, do you know who plants that seed of hate inside you? ...Satan.
I'll pray for you, because I feel that you have some issues inside your heart you need to deal with. You're probably a great person with a lot of love to give---but that hate will get in the way every time.
I wish you well, and I hope that maybe this will make you see that we're not bad people. We don't want to hurt you, and we don't hate you. Perversion comes in many, many forms. It comes in heterosexual forms, it comes from homosexual forms, and it can come from other horrific forms. I believe my relationship with my partner is a personal one; as well as one that's blessed by God.
Thank you for taking the time out to write to me.
As far as Dani’s questions regarding the New Testament’s laws and what I feel is to be true—I believe that Jesus died for all of us on the cross. He died for all of our sins. He paid the full price. I do believe that if you’re a good person, with a good heart and have compassion for others, then God sees your heart.
Through faith, we are God’s children. Galatians explains it perfectly.
God’s Children Through Faith
"Let me put it in another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God. But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian. So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have been made like him. There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are ALL Christians—you are one in Christ Jesus. And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and now all the promises God gave to him belong to you." ~Galatians 3:24-29
There is a huge difference between sinning and a sinful heart. Sinning is simply being human. A sinful heart desires to sin – it wants to hurt people and deliberately wants to steal your joy. A human that sins is natural. We repent and have faith in God. We no longer go by the laws of Moses. This is why God gave us His only son. We are freed from the law.
Here… Look at Galatians chapter two verses 17 through 21:
"But what if we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then find out that we are still sinners? Has Christ led us into sin? Of course not! Rather, I make myself guilty if rebuild the old system I already tore down. For when I tried to keep the law, I realized I could never earn God’s approval. So I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ. I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. So I live my life in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me an gave himself for me. I am not one for those who treats the grace of God as meaningless. For if we could be saved by keeping the law, then there was no need for Christ to die."
Pretty huge statement if you think about it. “For if we could be saved by keeping the law, then there was no need for Christ to die.”
If you constantly live in fear about God’s judgment, then your faith in Jesus isn’t strong. If you truly had faith in Jesus and claimed Him as your Savior, then you would know that the old law doesn’t apply to us anymore. We were bound by the law, but by the grace of God and His sacrifice of His son, we are made right with him. We live in our carnal bodies. We live here on earth, desiring earthly things. But if we have faith that’s strong and true, God isn’t going to just cast you away. God loves you. He knows how hard it is and what challenges we go through here on earth. This is the whole reason Jesus came for us.
I truly feel sad when people make statements such as, “Well, you’re mocking God because you won’t repent and you keep on sinning and claiming Christ as your Savior.” If you really think about it, those people who say that are mocking God by not trusting in Jesus’ death. They don’t feel that Jesus’ death was enough. He paid the price in full. Sometimes I truly believe that one of the main reasons why so many gay and lesbian people change from Christianity to Agnostic or even Atheist is because of discouraging Christians bible thumping judgmental arguments at us. They are constantly attacking us with hateful words. If I saw someone committing adultery, it is none of my business. That is for God to judge---and only God. I don’t hate people who commit adultery or have premarital sex--or whatever their sin may be.
Walking in love means to do ‘just that’… I think it’s awful that these ‘so called Christians’ will discourage so many people trying to please God. If anyone makes a person turn away from God—that alone is a sin. I know some people can state, “Well she’s trying to make you see that being gay is a sin.” Well then I say, focus on your own sins and stop judging others and making them feel horrible about themselves. I’ve seen this with a lot of homosexuals. They even get to the point of suicidal tendencies. Do you really want that?
I’m strong in my faith with God, so nothing is going to tear me down—especially a person who walks in hate. Think about this, you never see a rally against people who lie. You never see a hate rally against premarital sex. You’ll never, ever see a rally against envy. Why are they so focused on us?
"God loved the world so much, that Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son, was freely given, that WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16
"It is inevitable that stumbling blocks should come, but woe to him through whom they come! It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble." Luke 17: 1-2
"All people will know that you are my disciples if you love one another." John 13:35.
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