Thursday, February 16, 2012

Christian Hatred

This is the face of intolerance. This is the face that teaches hatred towards anyone who is gay or lesbian. This is also the face who has children, to which I can only assume teaches zero tolerance for homosexuals. Parents need to understand that their children look up to them. They believe them. They're the only truth they have. Teaching children to have hatred, intolerance and giving false information about gays, lesbians and transgender people is not “Christian-like”. It’s your fear that teaches them these things; your fear that perhaps your child may grow up to be gay or lesbian, or worse yet, “tolerate” those who are. When you teach your kids that it’s okay to tease those who are homosexual & call them "homos", you’re also teaching them to kill. Maybe they’re not killing them with their own hands, but they’re killing them with mere words. Words can hurt more than a physical beating sometimes. And for Jamey Rodemeyer, it “didn’t get better” for him, as he states in this video. In fact, he killed himself over what other kids said to him. In my opinion, it’s not the kids at fault, I’m blaming parents like Kimberly Bowman.

Remember Jonah Mowry? The kid who posted this next video?

He was called, “Gay”, “Fag”, “Dick”, “Douche”, “Homo”, “Asshole” by his schoolmates. He’s still alive luckily, but he still has a way to go to get through school. While sobbing through his message, holding up cue cards to show people how hurt he was over these vicious attacks, he lets people know that he’s not going anywhere. (Thank God!) He most likely has a good support system, a wonderful family who loves him and teaches him right, which makes him able to move forward. If you can truly look at this video without wiping a tear, I give you credit. I would never want to see any kid or adult hurt like this.

So Kimberly, you have no tolerance for homosexuals? Well I have zero tolerance for Christian hatred. I have zero tolerance for bullying. I have zero tolerance for those who are hypocritical in their lives. I have zero tolerance for people who protest outside of abortion clinics holding up vicious signs, while having the history of having an abortion themselves. You should be more compassionate to those who suffered the same as you did. You know that pain all too well. You should let God be the only judge. Just as a former drug addict cannot bash those who are doing drugs - they can only help and guide them without judgement. Show more love towards the people who went through what you did. Set an example for your children so they don't grow up and attack innocent people for no good reason other than their brought up hatred. Humble yourself and remember, everyone falls short. No one is perfect. I hope with your "zero tolerance" mindset, that God won't have zero tolerance for you when you finally get to meet Him face-to-face.

“Accept Christians (or people of other religions) who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. For instance, one person believes it is all right to eat anything. But another believer who has a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who think it is all right to eat anything must not look down on those who won’t. And those who won’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. Who are you to condemn God’s servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. The Lord’s power will help them do as they should. In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. Each person should have a personal conviction about this matter.” ~Romans 14:1-5

“Stop judging others, and you will not be judged. For others will treat you as you treat them. Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged. And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye." ~Matthew 7:1-5

(If you want to read more info on why I'm writing about Kimberly Bowman, you can click here to see my previous post.)

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Anonymous said...

Hi Deb,
Thank you for opening up this post to comments.
Just a little info about myself: I'm a Christian, I love God, I believe the Bible is inerrant.
I also believe that if someone becomes a Christian and then they sin, i.e. get drunk, promiscuity, etc, that they are still saved, but that the Holy Spirit will continually convict them of their sins.
If someone is not feeling that conviction, that to me is a warning sign, that perhaps that person is not really saved.

I think you can see where I'm going with this. I do not believe that homosexuality is ok, I believe it is a sin and that it is perverse. Saying that, I do have many friends... (about 15) who are in the homosexual lifestyle or some who struggle with it.
I'm telling you this because I don't want you to think I'm one of those people who just go around spewing hatred. Most people like me, I truly have a love for others, even those who hurt me.

So, please take my comment seriously, please don't attack me, please don't ignore me. I truly want to have a short discussion with you about why you are sinning against Kimberly Kay.

You wrote: "Stop judging others and you will not be judged. Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged."
Then you said that you HOPE that God will have zero tolerance for Kimberly.

Lets turn that around on you. Do you want God to have Zero tolerance with you?

This is what I Corinthians 6 says:
Does any one of you, when he has a [a]case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the [b]saints? 2 Or do you not know that the [c]saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to [d]constitute the smallest law courts? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? 4 So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, [e]do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, 6 but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers?

7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [f]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God

3 quick points:
1. the SAINTS will judge in the end. Saints are those who are in Christ.
If Kimberly is a saint, then she will be a part of the group who will judge.

2. There are lots of sinners who will not inherit the Kingdom of God, among that list is HOMOSEXUALITY, and effemination due to homosexuality.
This means, that the Bible considers homosexuality to be a sin. Do you concur?

3. There is room to leave sins, the end passage says, "such were some of you" past tense. Some of us were murderers, some of us were homosexuals, some of us were fill in the blank, but there is a way to leave those sins and to come to Christ.

Thank you for your respect ahead of time, please seriously consider what I'm saying instead of attacking me, please just be rational. Thank you.


Deb said...


Thank you for commenting. I have not "sinned against Kimberly Kay". And also, you quoted me incorrectly. I said, "I hope with your "zero tolerance" mindset, that God won't have zero tolerance for you when you finally get to meet Him face-to-face." **GOD WON'T**... So before you go misquoting me, read it first...please.

Secondly, I am 110% positive that God loves me and anyone who is straight or gay. I have had this debate a million and one times, and I know in my heart, and through the bible that it's not a sin. Those scriptures that you speak of are all talking about promiscuity and lust. Immorality goes both ways, gay or straight.

Kimberly writes all over her wall, "Wow, I really stirred something up in the Kekoa's new lesbian dinner date" and "Dani Kekoa dumps all the friends and family that love her and her family, but invites a hateful lesbian to dinner. They better eat the brownie's before they break the bread!"

I am not hateful. I am just saddened by people like Kimberly who make others feel bad about themselves.

I have had the pleasure of meeting her beautiful daughter yesterday through social media networking. You have to really wonder about people like Kimberly, whose own family won't even speak to her due to her judgmental and hurtful ways of "convicting" people.

What gets me is the hypocritical and hateful nature of it all. She verbally attacks "homos" - calls them hateful if they stand up for themselves. She attacks those who have abortions when she should be helping them, since she had one herself.

What do you think about her behavior towards people she is trying to convict? Do you think calling them "homos" or other inappropriate names is ok?

If you want to go by scripture, she is an adulteress. She has remarried someone else while her ex-husband is still alive. That is a huge sin.

Why aren't we focusing on that?

A sin is a sin, right? Unless her ex-husband is deceased, then it is blessed by God to remarry. But the bible clearly states it is not. But do you really want to get into harsh scripture that you 'so called' Christians go by? Because read it again, look at your sins and realize, we all sin. However, loving someone of the same sex, having a monogamous relationship/marriage with someone is not a sin.

Please do not take this as an "attack" on you, because it's not. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Why is it okay for her to "convict" me, when she is clearly sinning in her own life?

Let God be the only judge and live at peace with one another. The biggest commandment of all is loving God with all your heart and loving others as you would yourself.

Again, thank you for commenting, "T". :)

sam said...

Hi .
My name is Samuel T Allen
I am a Christian .

I actually read The Holy Bible
I read it cover to cover and no where do I find judgement acceptable in the eyes of the Lord .

To focus on another persons personal battles of love , religion , relationship and status with God is probably done so in order to not focus on ones own sin .

Christ came and burned the Torah on our hearts . If one loves Christ he will never lead you away from God . There fore you are always on the true and correct path as long as you love Yeshua more than yourself .

Even if homosexuality was a sin ; in my opinion not , then let he who is without sin cast the first stone .
Debbie is a loving Christian . I have known her since I was a kid . To deny your enemy in need is to deny Christ . Well Debbie is asking for Yeshua's love in us ....I will never turn her or Christ away would you . He returns as a thief in the night . Will you turn him away . To judge a sister in Christ is to deny our Lord .
The same battle Debbie fights is the same Yeshua did among the High Priest of Israel .
I am honored to know a Christian like Debbie . We went to church on Easter together once . I would be honored if we ever do so again. But love is what is important . For that Yeshua makes new rules .

Pay attention next you read the Bible . Read the Old Testament more . You will see Jesus , Isiah and many of the old heroes of the Bible battled those who used the Bible as a set of rules to condemn .

The Holy Bible was given so we can live a life of love and experience God .

sam said...

Hate projected outward in any way should be punishable but toward children....well that's of highest crime

Anonymous said...

Hi Deb,
Thanks again for responding and no you weren't hateful in your response you sounded calm and reasonable.
I'm sorry that it looked like I was misquoting you, I was trying to type fast as I had a pressing matter to get to, so I should have just waited and then came back to respond slower.
This is the quote that you said, that I'm referring to:

"I hope with your "zero tolerance" mindset, that God won't have zero tolerance for you when you finally get to meet Him face-to-face."

So, you are saying that because Kimberly doesn't have tolerance for others, that God won't have tolerance for her.. is this correct? Is this interpreting what you are saying correctly?

Ok, so my three points were these:

1. Kimberly is a saint, God will have His saints judge the world according to I Cor 6:2,
Paul's point is that Christians should be judging matters of this life because we will be judging the world in the end.
So, judging someone or something is not wrong, even you judge Kimberly, but sometimes we (as sinners) have a tendency to judge wrongly. So, our goal is to follow what God says in His word about what is right and wrong to help us judge.

Would you agree with the previous statement?

So, as far as homosexuality is concerned in the Bible, what I'm hearing you say, is that you believe when the Bible talks about homosexuality as a sin, that it's saying that homosexuals sin just like heterosexuals sin. Not that homosexuality is a sin in and of itself, but that both parties are sinners.

Is this what you are saying to me?

Lastly, I'd like to encourage you to not bash Kimberly anymore. What kind of Christian love is this???? You say that she and her daughter are having issues, what daughter and mother don't have issues?? I know I've had issues with my mother many many times and I have always felt that I was right. (later on when I wasn't so upset with her, I learned to look at my own faults and ask for her forgiveness and she to I),
but, just because some daughter is upset with her mother, doesn't mean we should believe 100% of what she says.
take what she says with a grain of salt.

The reason why I don't think you should bash on Kimberly, is because she is not a hateful person. She uses the words "hate" and "homo" as references from her world views.
If you don't like what she says, then change her world views. Don't try to attack her.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I know that you felt attacked, but really... is the right answer to attack someone else? Is this the answer to hate, if she really was so hateful?, to be hateful back?

You ask her to be tolerant to homosexuality, but in her worldview, homosexuality is a sin. Then you go on and on about how you refuse to be tolerant to people who are intolerant.... so who do you tolerate then? do you only tolerate people who agree with you?

The definition of tolerance, is to bear with something that you disagree with.
If you disagree with Kimberly, then be tolerant towards her. If she misquotes scripture, then talk about the ideas. Don't attack the person.

Someone else came on and said that you are a very loving person. I believe that. I think you want to be loving and I think you try to be loving. Try harder. Try harder with people you disagree with.

I have more to say, but I would like it if you would answer my two questions, so I can make sure we're on the same page... and I think this is long for anyone to read.. ha ha. ...


Thanks again for your reasonable discussion,


Anonymous said...

Anonymous is Scott Bowman her husband Deb. of course he thinks she's a saint lol.


Anonymous said...

To sam:
you said hate should be punishable especially hate towards a child. Jesus said that if anyone should cause a little child to stumble that a millstone should be put around his neck and he should drown.
I agree with Jesus, if we cause a child to stumble (away from God) we are evil and should be put to death. BUT,
in our society we have redefined hate to mean "anyone who disagrees with my world view".
I know a lot of the "haters" and I know them personally and know that they are truly lovely wonderful people who would give their right arm for a stranger.

Who decides in our society what hate is, and what the definition of hate is? you?

In my opinion you are showing hate for others... just by your post. Please think through exactly what you are trying to say.

Who defines what hate is?
How do we "punish" hate?
Would you consider an older man who rapes a young boy to be a hateful man? (such as the situation at Penn State) or was he just doing what came naturally to him?

Please answer those questions for me (: Thanks

Deb said...


You’re starting to sound a bit angered by all of this. I am now going to start moderating my comments since you can’t control your temper and irrational statements. First of all, Kimberly is certainly not a saint.

If you are going according to the bible, she is a divorcee, remarried while her ex-husband is still alive... Yes? We agree on that? To which I do think this is her husband speaking from the ip address and name.

Also, nobody is bashing Kimberly. We are defending all kids and adults who are bullied by Kimberly’s type. Do you think calling someone a “homo” and telling them that they’re going to hell is “Christian behavior”? It’s not a loving thing to say...

You feel that this is an attack, but this was not -- it was a response to her hateful words and postings. I don’t hate Kimberly, I’m actually concerned that she sounds incredibly unhappy. How about you try harder to love - teach your wife - teach your kids how to love harder, as you tell me. Loving someone is not judging them. To love someone is to accept them and let God be the judge - not “Kimberly the Saint” - or "Kimberly the Adulteress”.

The discussion has not been reasonable with you because you won’t agree to disagree. This post is about how to teach children not to hate, not to bully other kids through the teachings at home. So while you have yet to answer my questions on my previous posts, the blog is now limited to only people who have real accounts.

Thank you again for your input.

the walking man said...

My DEAR friend, you just stand on the principles as you KNOW them to be.

I never really considered the two in a relationship before, the bullying of gay kids or fat kids or any one who doesn't quite fit in kids with the way parents teach their children. I see it now and have to agree, there is a causal relationship one with the other.

I was mercilessly bullied from 4th grade to 9th, I know how it feels, I know who and how it started. The difference is I grew to big, to mean to be bullied anymore. I'd soon as knock your ass around the block a few times than listen to the BS anymore. But a gay kid?

How does one be what they are not and have that most necessary ingredient for a contented life leading to a contented eternity--Peace within?

Of course there are the Michelle Bachmann etal of the world who have gotten rich trying to "pray away the gay." Nothing more than a scam to suck taxpayer dollars out of the treasury and actually a violation of first amendment rights.

Now I am sure that your detractors here DEB will disagree with me but of what I know about mans relationship to the spirit of creation. They are not even good Americans as well as good Christians, for Christ the spirit born within a person is not a spirit of division but one of peace.

*shrug* It is these people who will be looking at me when I ask them why they thought lack of tolerance was a godly characteristic? Even God throughout the Torah tolerated his enemy in peace and calmness of mind.

These folks are the reason I am a nothing, not an atheist, theist, Christian, Hindu, Muslim or Buddhist or anything with a tag other than a person who calls that spirit which created all by many names, and knows he is of only one mind. That we Phone him once in awhile to chat and that we care for one another as he cares for us. A simple directive we seem to be too dense to comprehend.

Be Well Peace Out