Thursday, May 18, 2006

Holier Than Thou

What is it that makes other people think that their religion or beliefs is right—or better? What proof do they have that tells them this is wrong and this is right? Sure you can flip through the bible and read some proverbs, scriptures and passages from history; but why do so many people interpret it in different ways? Why are there so many sectors to Christianity? There are some Christians, like myself, that believes in the basic ‘right and wrong’. Then there are radical extremists who feel they need to pull out parts of a story of the bible and make it abundantly clear to the entire world that this is the worst kind sin! A sin is a sin.

When you do something wrong, you generally feel it in your gut; you know it’s not good. It’s whether or not that your conscience lets you stop what you’re doing in order to not let it be a ‘sin’. I believe that your conscience is a gift from God. Not one person is this world can say, “Well that’s a sin and that’s wrong!” No one has that right to point that out to you, unless you are hurting another individual.

Be careful how you live among your unbelieving neighbors. Even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will believe and give honor to God when he comes to judge the world. ~1 Peter 2:12

Let them accuse you. Let them throw the first stone. Let them see you live in love---watch how they suffer in their own ugliness of jealousy. This post is dedicated to Miranda. I think she saw the wrath and hatred that comes from a certain blogger. The behavior that this lady has shown throughout her blog and throughout my own blog, shows nothing but hate and ugliness. What makes a person focus so much on other people’s lifestyles? Miranda has been with the same woman for 4 years. Her love for her partner is unconditional and it’s evident that she’s happy. Why would anyone want to make another human being feel sad about their love for someone? If ‘you’ think it’s wrong, remain quiet and let God be the judge.

There are people who claim they are ‘righteous’. I would love to meet that person.

Righteous: Morally upright; without guilt or sin.

Who is without sin in their lives? We all live in our physical nature. Our physical nature goes against our spirit. We are flawed, but in my beliefs, this is why Jesus died on the cross for us. He saw how we were when He came down to earth. And for that, He died for us. I’ve accepted that. Some people are still stuck in this ‘holier than thou’ stance and feel the need to judge and ridicule everyone who isn’t living perfectly to the written law. No one lives perfectly to the law. We’re only human.

It’s perfectly fine if you are in a discussion and say, “Well I feel this is wrong.” That’s okay. That’s your belief’. Then you have people who feel the need to insult you for your lifestyle. Well you’re a pervert! You’re a homo! You’re faggot and God hates faggots!” That’s not encouraging; that’s called hatred. To me, it shows me a person who is completely unhappy with him/herself.

God is all loving. God doesn’t hate His children. If my own father and mother accepted me—then what makes this person think that God can’t? It sounds absurd. There are many people in the world that hate to see other people live happy lives. Some people live a life to only please others. How sad. Why can’t we all be happy—yet be happy for everyone else as well?

If anyone says, “I am living in the light,” but hates a Christian brother or sister, that person is still living in darkness. Anyone who loves other Christians is living in the light and does not cause anyone to stumble. Anyone who hates a Christian brother or sister is living and walking in darkness. Such a person is lost, having been blinded by the darkness. ~1 John 9:11

I know this focuses on Christians. I apply it to people of other faiths as well. I don’t hate anyone of a different faith—I respect it. But as a Christian, I find that a lot of my ‘so called’ fellow Christian believers are full of hatred and anger. I even have to say, that the Buddhists teach a great doctrine. It’s all about love—how we are all one. It sends a positive message. I think Christianity sends a positive message, but many people ruin it; trying to make the bible and what it says full of hate and wrath. It’s a shame that people have to go to that extreme to make other people feel sad. They give Christianity a bad name and make us look threatening and unloving.

Maybe one day we can all walk in love; we can all find happiness that resides in our heart instead of pointing out each other's flaws.


Sue said...

Here, here!! I couldn't have said it better myself. THAT site just makes me so angry but I can't say that I hate her. I see her as a very lost soul. The fanatics I have had the "non-pleasure" of dealing with have all had issues in their past and are very lonely people and this is their way of finding community and making up for their pasts. I can only hope for an awakening of some kind but....I am not counting on it.

JD said...

Deb, i couldn't agree with you more. what makes someone think that just because he/she has read something you posted, they know you heart and soul and are therefore qualified to judge you? i think there are going to be a lot of surprised and pissed off people in the afterlife. not sure where i'll end up, but at least i don't profess to know for sure and set myself up for disappointment. i was attacked on a friend's blog the other day, purely on the basis of where i went to college. and not a haha friendly rivalry thing, but a personal attack. amazing. i'm sure the hatred and venom you get for your views and lifestyle trivialize my attack. i feel for you hon. you've always shown class, respect, compassion, and sweetness. and hey, who can forget the meatballs? ;) ciao bella.

Cheryl said...

Deb, I don't think you should link to that site. They don't deserve the attention, you know?

Not much to say because you've said it all. But there is also a difference between being righteous (like God is) and being Self-righteous, like a lot of people are, they bestow their superiority upon themselves. It's sad really. I don't know why they do it, but I just feel sad for them.

Åsa said...

Deb: it's very odd to me that there are people who say that "this is what the bible says". Do they know that the original language the bible was written in is not English? That it's a language where the same word can mean a lot of different words in English? AND it's written by people some 300 years after Jesus past away or rose to his Father or what ever. (I might be a bit misinformed about the 300 years here...). I like your way of interpretation: love and let God judge. Spend energy where it does good instead.

Natalia said...

At first when you pointed us to that blog...I thought it was a joke. That woman from worst generation is confused and very much in pain. She can't be who she is and pretends instead. What a waste. Hatred will get her nowhere and will only corrode her inside. So sad. I just hope her kids don't get too damaged.


kathi said...

Hey darlin :)
God tell us to love one another as we love ourselves. Using God's logic, I always have to feel sorry for those who hate because I believe it's how they ultimately feel towards themself. And, that is sad. Been there. And, come to think of it, when I was there, I didn't care much for anyone else either.

With that said, I must love myself bunches cause I love you like crazy, girl!

Grant said...

I think all religions, especially the xtian ones, are different for each person. Even if they belong to the same church, if you question them enough you'll eventually reach a point upon which they'll differ. That's why I stress religious tolerance, because to me every single person belongs to a different religion. And you're all wrong but me.

BTW, I am completely without guilt or sin according to my religious principles. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", and I'll be danged if I don't indeed do just that - whatever I wilt. So, feck off xtians. You're looking at the original righteous mo-fo over here.

luckysevn said...

As usual, I love your insight. I'm continually amazed at the similarities across the religious spectrum... For instance, Hinduism has tales of a massive flood, a man being swallowed by a large fish, etc. The more similarities I see across the board, the more my faith is solidified. Sure, religion has been interpreted in various ways, yet we all have the same underlying beliefs... But why some choose to express those beliefs in such a radical and hateful way is beyond me...
On a positive note, there's a lot more love on your site than on the one you linked in your post today! I went there for the first time and I'm NEVER going back!!!

Mike said...

Jesus wept...Is that hate monger (mongrel)...whatever works....still blogging?

Nunzia said...

right on Deb. Could't have said it better myself.

StopSpamming said...

Dani wants attention. Her radical blog is her way of getting it. She was no doubt a rebellious teenager, and she blames her mother for her (Dani's) 'sins' as she is unable to accept the responsibility. Along the lines of I sinned - but had things/mother/situation been different, only that applies to everybody. Perhaps she thinks she had it 'worse'..probably needs to think that :) She hasn't grown up yet...just changed direction. She may never grow up and she is seriously lacking in self esteem for all her bluster. She will always be a radical no matter what cause/religion she attaches herself too. From Eric Hoffer's The True Believer...on religious fanatics

"The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready is he to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race, or his holy cause."

She really is enjoying all this attention :)

the voice said...

One of the things I always ask myself, when looking at someone elses beliefs, is COULD they be right? It isn't that I share their beliefs, but if there is a chance, no matter how tiny, or how unlikely, that they might be right, shouldn't they be given some respect? I apply this to Islam, Mormans, or any other religion for that matter. I do not believe any of those other religions, but they do. And who am I to say that our Almighty God, who works in ways that we will never understand, did not present himself to some other group of people for some mysterious reason. I always think of the tower of Babel, and how God scattered people across the world, because, He said, when we work as one, we can accomplish anything. Maybe that is our whole purpose; to learn to live and work together. Different races, religions, and even sexual identities, all learning to love and live together. Don't see it happening anytime soon, though. Sorry for the lenght of this. It sorta turned into a sermon. This was on my list of things to post about, anyway. God bless you, Deb, as well as everyone else!

Mistress Tomtayoh said...

I don't have passages, I don't have quotes, but I do have experience, and life lately seems a living hell. I have been pretty much slapped in the face, as if I were some monster and my private life spread in regions which should be left alone. Ya, it pisses me off. And ya, I really do feel hatred towards such cruel people as "that blogger" and I truely wish they could be in our shoes. Thanks for the post Deb. Your peacful look on things is really inspiring. I like that.

~Ron (the girl)

EnCloset said...


Bossy♥'s YOU said...

amen sista..

you have such a nice way of wording it all;)

Grace said...

The day that people stop judging each other and learn to be kind and caring toward all of God's creations is the day that God will actually be pleased with us.

I only wish that this day will come before he gives up on us...

GirlGoyle said...

Why is it that in this country you can wake up one morning and create a religion. These "Church of Faith and Truth of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and all the deciples" have no historical and moral standing. It's ridiculous. Like the three (or four) main religions aren't complicated enough. Must we always come up with crap like this? Cults...why don't they exist in other countries as well?

Miranda said...

(uh oh....I hope this didnt duplicate 2 times...just lost my AMEN!!!! Thanks for the nice words. I think I was having a very hormonal day. You know lol when the moods are as low as you can go. Everyone that commented is so right. I'd of said the same thing if I were in the right state of mind. Yeah those guys need to get a life.

Thanks again!

Leesa said...

You said: "What is it that makes other people think that their religion or beliefs is right - or better?"

Don't most of us think that our religious beliefs are right? Or better? Because if this is not the case, we would be changing religions and then it we would think our beliefs are right or better?

There is a difference between believing we are right and treating others with contempt. I have my doubts on what I believe - I really do - but I think they are as close to the truth as I can get right now.

But for the rest of your post, I tend to agree with you.

becca said...

deb! I have so many comments with regard to ur last three posts:

this post: your ability to see beyond such people is inspiring, not returning with more flaming remarks, but wise words. Good for you!

imbued post: srrweet! Make this into a hallmark card if you can! :) I love the last two lines :"What is it that makes you so perfect? Why haven’t I found you sooner?"

matters of the heart post: I love italian food! Although i'm not sure if its considered true italian food: cheese baked rice and vegetarian pizza! and spahgetti! it sure is hard to fight a family that cooks good but is so bad on your waistline! my aunt whips up irristable curry!

mal said...

are people so weak in their faith that the only affirmation they have of its validity is to force others to comply with their blatherings?

I am extremely leery of anyone who quotes using "....." between words. Very suspicious

I am still convinced that Hubris is the greatest sin that we are capable of and professing to know the will of God better than our neighbor strikes me as the pinnacle of Hubris

Casually Me said...

You have the heart of a saint...

Madelene Rose said...

Salut toi! :D
Tu vas bien?
You are simply the best. I totally get a fabulous understanding of Christianity from you. Thanks a million, Deb. I wish there were more people like you! I wanna meet them and learn from them. Befriend them, even.

Ciao! Madelene

~Deb said...

Je fais bien, merci de demander. J'apprécie vos commentaires Madelene!

Thanks for all your comments and thoughts. I appreciate it.

Dani said...

Still talking about me, eh?

Thought you were over it by now. I know I sure am!

Live your life. Do what you want. Mock God. Call me hateful. I really don't care. But - don't put words in my mouth. I never once said, "God hates faggots".

If you are so sure of yourself and your lifestyle, what do you really have to worry about anyway?

Maybe it's your "conscience" telling you that homosexuality is wrong? I don't know?

Oh and Miranda has been commenting over at my blog all week and we had a great discussion. - Ask her. Personally, I really enjoyed chatting with her and having her contribute to the conversation, and never once did her lifestyle get brought up.


Deb - What exactly sets you apart from the rest of the world?

Romans 12:1-2 "Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect."

Mistress Tomtayoh said...

Welcome :)

Madelene Rose said...

Merciiii et j'apprécie toi.

BTW - What I blogged before was a song that I discovered recently. Omg.. U should see my poetry.. :#

Saur♥Kraut said...

Well, people who believe in something believe in it because they think it's the best option there is. So, it's hard for them to step back objectively and say that others have that same right. Even though they do!

Tai said...

Not being Christian (have I mentioned that before?) it's a rather strange world to peek into.
Given such opposing opinions as yours and ~ahem~ other peoples, how can I help but choose the opinions that cherish love and life, and the notion that allowing others to do the same is precious.
Are you a minion of Lucifer? Well, I guess it's possible, depending on who you talk to!
Am I?
You bet yer cute little booties I am!
But seriously...
If to value love, freedom, tolerance and peace is a bad thing then sign me up.
I'll even pay for admission.

Party Girl said...

I couldn't agree with you more.
Those holy rollers who talk the talk, but can't or don't walk the walk. They preach and preach, but their actions don't back it up. If that's being a Christian, then may I never be one.

If people are happy with who they are and what they believe in and they are not hurting those around them then who am I to judge?

Love the blog. I'll be stopping back by!

Kellie said...

I have viewing comments from you on other people's sites for awhile and, foolishly, took too long to read your blog.



now I am mesmerized...

In that good way- not the scarely stalker way. Just so you know! :)

Tressa said...

Christianity is not a blind faith. The proof is in the Bible.

The reason for interpretation lies in human perception. People must realize that the meaning is determined by the author and discovered by the reader. God is not a god of confusion. If we do not approach His word with care, humility, reason, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit - then we can deviate from its truth.

2 Peter 1:20, "Knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

2 Peter 3:16, "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

Those radicals are just stating the truth – God’s truth.

2 Corinthians 4:2, "Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God."

Jesus said His words lead to eternal life (John 6:63). But for us to receive eternal life through His words, they must be taken as He intended them to be taken.

1 Corinthians 6:9; "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders."

How, then, can you not say it's a sin and wrong? And it can be hurtful to family, friends. It can strain relationships and sometimes tear them apart...

God is love, just, fair, but He is also a judge. He isn't just a Divine Doormat preaching a do-what-feels-good attitude. Just because you proclaim to live in love, doesn't mean you live for Him and He lives IN You.

We are all born in sin. That IS why He died for us - so we could then accept Him and be born-again (our sins become covered by His blood). However, we are to become a NEW creation, dead to sin. You cannot keep living in sin. That is why, these holier than thou people seem to keep coming back to tell you so! Not that you are this bad person, but to give you wise counsel. If you saw your friend was so wrong about something, would you not say anything? Same thing applies here.

I do agree with you that some people, Christians or not, can get out of hand and out right bash homosexuals. That's not the right way to go about things, but rather through loving rational discussions..

God is all loving but He is also all knowing and all powerful. Although He loves His children, He is holy and will have nothing to do with sin so stop trying to excuse your ways by your own methodology.

You refuse to deal honestly with God by ignoring your sins; you become worldly and are living in the shadows instead of walking in God's light. As 1 John 1:6,7 says:

"If we say we are his friends, but go on living in spiritual darkness and sin, we are lying. But if we are living in the light of God's presence, just as Christ does, then we have wonderful fellowship and joy with each other and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from every sin."

The Lord wants to see you live an abundant life that's free. I really believe the Lord is speaking to you like never before. You feel sad perhaps because you feel convicted. Listen to your heart. Turn to Him. He is knocking at your door, are you going to open it and let Him in? He's waiting.

Yamathan Contril said...

"Christianity is not a blind faith. The proof is in the Bible."

Did I read that wrong? You mean that it's not a blind faith because the faith's guiding, only, and Most Sacred Holy Work says it's not a blind faith?

These snarks write themselves.

Spectator said...

I don't know what verse you meant to quote, but 1 John 9:11 DOES NOT EXIST!

Perhaps you meant 1 John 2:9-11?

Well, let's read it in context a few verses earlier in 1 John 2:3-6 -"Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked."

Read a little later in verses 15-16 -"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world."

How can you even claim to know God when YOU are the one living in darkness and sin? You cannot say “I am living in the light” while being a lesbian. You are of the world - corrupt and full of perverted pride!

As for 1 Peter 2:12 (which you also took out of context) -"Even if they accuse you of doing wrong, they will see your honorable behavior, and they will believe and give honor to God when he comes to judge the world."

They accuse you of doing wrong because you ARE doing wrong! How can they see your honorable behavior? What honorable behavior? Homosexuality is NOT honorable, it is abominable!

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Drew said...

So today I had my first encounter with a "radical fundamentalist christian." (I hate using that term by the way...bad connotation). I literally left the situation feeling sick to my stomach. Damning just about everyone in the world (including Catholics, Mother Theresa, people who listen to rock'n'roll, homosexuals, Muslims...the list goes on and on) besides himself, I spent the day feeling extremely confused and angry: how could a follower of Jesus feel justified to spread a message so full of hate and bigotry? Ick.

I still want to throw up.

Either way, your message was totally inpiring and is helping me sort some of it out, so thanks.

Keep on preachin :)