Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Curiosity Revealed the Atheist

Through my own experience having dealt with atheists who have challenged my faith, I find them to be constantly searching for answers, or proving that religion, or perhaps, spirituality is just nonsense. But they want concrete proof; scientific proof. And just because I can say I've had a spiritual experience and saw God Himself -- they can chuck it up to extreme euphoria that the mind can produce -- who knows. But if a person is truly atheist, then why ask so many questions? It reminds me of the girl who was in the closet about her sexuality of being a lesbian asking me a million questions about what it's like to be gay. To me, it's the same concept. The curiosity of it all springs up new assumptions about atheists. I can be totally off on this, but this is how I see it. One atheist told me something I'll never forget. He said, "Atheists don't do 'good deeds' just to please some 'god' - they do it from their hearts."  Meaning there is no genuine love (or good intentions) on Christians who do good. Through my experience with my own faith, 'good deeds' is not a ticket into heaven. You can do all the good in the world and it will not guarantee a spot up in paradise. What counts is a faithful heart - a heart that believes that without a doubt, God is real and Jesus has saved them. One scripture from Galatians 2:15-16 reads, "You and I are Jews by birth, not 'sinners' like the gentiles. And yet we Jewish Christians know that we become right with God, not by doing what the law commands, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be accepted by God because of our faith in Christ - and not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be saved by obeying the law."  It's amazing how right in the Bible in black and white that it clearly tells us that nobody will be saved by doing 'good', or in Bible's words, obeying the law. This doesn't mean go out and be an evil little demon - it's just displaying how human we are and how God knows all the flaws in humankind, which is why He brought His only son to die for us on the cross. So with more faith and spirituality, Christians are doing 'good deeds' because of their faith, not because they want God to accept them. They're doing it to please YOU, as a brother & sister -- not to get a Christian badge of honor. My point is, I don't see the point in an atheist challenging the beliefs of Christians if they are indeed, truly an atheist. What's the point? If your mind is dead set on not believing any 'supernatural' entity or deity, then why poke the arms of other believers if there isn't one bit of curiosity whatsoever. And if there is curiosity, then great. Maybe the seed can be planted in a roundabout way.

While tweeting about it, I got a couple of responses:

 Some people don't yet know the difference btw expressing their thoughts & attacking others. Sounds like he failed.

 Deb, just say bless and go on! *LOL*

All good and sound advice and thoughts being given to me. I think I'll just play Switzerland, leave my beliefs and faith on my blog and let people either read it or simply "X" out of the page.

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12 comments:

Snowbrush said...

"But if a person is truly atheist, then why ask so many questions?"

Maybe they aren't truly atheistic and are hoping you can pull them back into theism, which you wrote that you had repeatedly done. On the other hand, maybe they want to convert you to atheism. Or, maybe they just really hate theists and are asking you questions with the hope of making you look stupid.

Deb said...

Yes, I repeatedly shared my beliefs. If someone is inspired by my experiences and journey with Christianity, then super. If not, then we always have choice. See, that's the thing with atheists, they want to make people "look stupid", but in reality, the initial motive of most atheists is to do something like this. In my own personal opinion, (and seeing from what you went through), I do believe there is a small seed of faith in there, but because of bad experiences, this person is hateful towards other people who have faith in God. Why? Because they have the love, the faith, the ability to look through the muck and realize what it means to truly love, because perfect love IS God. All perfect love drives out fear. It must be scary to think that the afterlife is just one pitch dark place.... But no, I can never be made to feel stupid by my love and faith for Jesus. Never. :)

Snowbrush said...

"that's the thing with atheists, they want to make people "look stupid'"

Which is the equivalent of saying that such and such is "the thing" with homosexuals, blacks, women, men, Moslems, etc. You're taking a diverse group and imagining that you can make one insulting statement fit everyone in that group, after which you immediately launch into a seemingly misty-eyed discourse on love along with the claim that only theists really know how to do love correctly because you need God for that. Yeah, sure you do. That's why atheists are treated the way they are.

Snowbrush said...

P.S. "...(and seeing from what you went through), I do believe there is a small seed of faith in there, but because of bad experiences, this person is hateful towards other people who have faith in God."

First, I am not hateful toward people who have faith in God--which is why most of my active readers are almost certainly theists--although I am utterly hateful toward a "faith" based system that has caused two millennia of hatred and mayhem. Secondly, what you offer here isn't an argument but an example of a reductionist method of ignoring someone else's viewpoint by attempting to explain it away with psychology. However, even if such a psychological analysis is correct, it doesn't disprove the other person's beliefs.

Deb said...

Snowbrush, I was simply referring to your statement, “Or, maybe they just really hate theists and are asking you questions with the hope of making you look stupid.” I have only come across those who either mocked or attempted to make Christians look stupid, or feel “silly” for having such a belief. It wasn’t meant to lump them up in one bulk, because I’m sure somewhere out there, there are atheists who just don’t believe and don’t care about what others believe. And what I meant by the “love” portion of my comment was simply replying to the atheist who had told me that he did things out of his heart, where Christians did it just for their God. I read it again carefully. I was only defending myself against what this atheist had said to me -- basically saying that I only do “good deeds” to make God happy. That’s all. And if you think what I said has anything to do with psychology, or maybe in the terms of twisting things around to have people see a different viewpoint, then maybe this blog isn’t for you. I didn’t disprove your beliefs or lack thereof, I’m simply defending myself against the atheist who said I didn’t love people genuinely.

And of course, if you get offended by my content, you can simply “X” out and I will wish you the best. My apologies if this was taken the wrong way. I ask if you read it again with an open-mind, knowing that my entire content was about defending my stance on my belief. :)

Snowbrush said...

"Snowbrush, I was simply referring to your statement, “Or, maybe they just really hate theists and are asking you questions with the hope of making you look stupid.'”

I suggested this as but one possibility, and you applied it to your view of all atheists by not admitting any exceptions. I only listed three reasons that an atheist might ask you questions, but I could name a few more, yet you are stuck on the one that is most unflattering.

" I’m sure somewhere out there, there are atheists who just don’t believe and don’t care about what others believe."

To suggest that "somewhere out there" there might be some is only marginally better than to say that there are none. Again, it's like saying that "somewhere out there, there are Moslems who don't blow people up." You feel justified in lumping all atheists together into the same pot when I feel quite sure you would never do the same in speaking about blondes, vegetarians, or violin players. Prejudiced people rarely see the prejudice within themselves because, in their minds, they're simply describing the despised group in an accurate manner.

Deb said...

When I suggest "somewhere out there", I meant that I have never met an atheist who didn't want a debate about Christianity or, exactly what you're doing right now. This proves my point that all of the atheists **I have met*** are combative. I'm sorry for having a blog and having an opinion on my own experiences. Again, maybe you should "X" out of this blog for good since your mind is so closed. I guess it's your way or no way at all.

And now my opinion goes even further, even leaving you as an example of "angry atheists", which will be my next post.

Thanks for the material.

Deb said...

Also, may I suggest the first line of my post, which states, "Through my own experience having dealt with atheists who have challenged my faith, I find them to be constantly searching for answers, or proving that religion, or perhaps, spirituality is just nonsense."

It might make you see that I was not lumping all atheists into one category - only the ones I have come across.

Snowbrush said...

"...I was not lumping all atheists into one category - only the ones I have come across."

Your previous statement ("...that's the thing with atheists, they want to make people "look stupid") suggests that you do lump all atheists together, and from your childish reaction to our discussion, I have every confidence that your problem isn't with atheists but with your intolerance of disagreement. Not only do you perceive every atheist you've ever met as a jerk, but that you will likewise perceive every atheist you ever will meet as a jerk. You wouldn't have it any other way.

Deb said...

A good friend of mine wrote a comment regarding this post on my Facebook page. He stated, ”This spring I sat thru a lecture by Richard Dawkins, noted atheist. When it came time for Q&A he explained that he likes to ridicule (exact quote) people who disagree with him. I consider that (and him) more of an anti-theist than an atheist. I also did not like that he sets up a foundation called the "Dawkins Reason Foundation." Thus if you disagree with him you are then "unreasonable." (Control the language and you control the argument but that is another issue.) I know you blog about your life and your experiences but I see a lot of material here. Nice post.”

Wow, sounds like he was talking about you. Hey, if you disagree with my opinion regarding the atheists I have come across - even atheists around the world, then that’s your thing. I’m not trying to change your mind. It’s interesting, someone who writes nothing but religion (you) on your blog, seems so combative and angry at anyone who believes in God or Christianity. I’ll even go as far as say you’re very religious about being an atheist. Thou dost protest too much......If you read our discussion, or, “my childish reaction” --- you’ll see the only one who’s crying is you. I tried to make peace with you and explain what I meant.

And no, I do not think atheists are jerks...only you.

David Martín Espinosa said...

You just used a fallacy:

The straw man argument

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

You just changed what an atheist says to make fun of it. God will be disappointed with your machiavellian behaviour.

Deb said...

David,

I never even heard of that before. I'm just expressing my thoughts and opinions and wondering why a lot of atheists try to poke at Christians. I believe they are more "anti-theists" than just not believing in a deity.

No "straw man argument" --- I don't even know what that is.

I didn't change what some atheists have said to me -- I simply quoted them and wondered why they always challenge my on my beliefs. Why can't they be content with me and other believers, ……believing in a higher power? Sounds like a huge question mark in their minds if you ask me.