Tuesday, May 01, 2007

Love Your Enemies


Reasons to love your enemies

God commands us to love.

Here are some key Scriptures (Bible verses) on loving your enemies:

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34).

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. (Luke 6:27-28).

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. (Romans 12:14).

We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it. (1 Corinthians 4:12).

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. (Romans 12:17-21).

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. (1 Peter 3:9).

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. (1 John 2:9-10).

Lately, I’ve been going through blog comments, such as Mark’s and Dani’s. These two people have been saying a lot of judgmental things about me. When asked by Sandalina, which “Eminem” song Dani was going to use while sitting next to God, sending me to hell on judgment day, Dani said this:

“But to answer your question: Probably Eminem's song "Rain Man" or any of the other ones about PERVERSION !
Here are some lyrics:
“Now in the Bible it says
Thou shalt not watch two lesbians in bed,
Have homosexual sex
Unless of course you were given the consent to join in
Then of course, it's intercourse
And it's bi-sexual sex
Which isn't as bad, as long as you show some remorse for your actions
Either before, during or after performing the act of that which
Is normally referred to have such, more commonly known phrases
That are more used by today's kids
In a more derogatory way but
Who's to say, what's fair to say, and what not to say?”
Seems as though even a godless heathen like Eminem knows more about the Bible than lesbo Deb does.”

So she thinks it's okay to be bi-sexual, but loving someone monogmously isn't. Pretty interesting, huh?

My post is simple today. I’m going to pray publicly for Dani. She has chastised me for over a year about being with my partner, when in fact, in her past, she used to be a lesbian herself. In my opinion, she should have more of an understanding of what it’s like to be homosexual. She’s an ‘ex-lesbian’.

If you can all please pray with me for her today…

Lord, please bless Dani today. Please let your love pour into her heart, as she recognizes the true meaning of unconditional love. Let her find peace and happiness. Let her find the peace that you give- and not as the world does. Soften her heart and make her strong in your faith. Brighten her life with love and laughter. Show her the works that you’ve done, Lord, the way you’ve treated people when you were once here on this earth. Give her wisdom and understanding before she opens up your book and reads about you. Talk to her. Send her your message. Send her your love. Send her peace. Let her life be incredible. Give her a burst of happiness- starting today.

In closing Lord, please give her great health, prosperity and most of all, the love that comes from only you. Bless her children, her husband as well as her relatives.

I ask this in Jesus’ name.

Amen.
I ask if everyone who has faith in God can say a prayer for Dani as well as Mark, so that they'll continue to love one another, instead of bashing one another.

67 comments:

Leesa said...

Okay, another reason to love your enemies: It sort of pisses them off.

Good stuff, ~deb. Really good stuff. Am I first?

Natalia said...

I am trying to think who my enemies are.

-N

Anonymously Saying said...

When saying, “God loves homosexuals, but hates the homosexual acts,” it’s quite evident that this doesn’t make sense at all. It’s as if someone would say, I love maids, but hate their acts of cleaning. In the United States, African Americans and homosexuals have been oppressed by Christianity. Up until the 21st century, the Bible was used to justify everything from lynching African Americans to denying them the right to vote. The Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacy groups often preach their hate under the guise of "God's word."

More recently, though, homosexuals have borne the brunt of religious hatred.

Interesting choice of songs that Dani used. I wonder if it’ll be the new scripture in one of ‘her bibles’.

~Deb said...

Leesa: It wouldn’t piss them off if they weren’t so angry.

Natalia: I can’t see you having any!

Anonymously saying: You’re absolutely right, the KKK and the fundamentalists have been preaching the ‘so-called Good Word’ under God’s name for years now, enabling others to bash, torment and kill homosexuals as well as others who are oppressed.

Just pray for her.

Lisa said...

I visited Dani's blogs for the first time today. Dani is entitled to her opinions, but the hatred and name-calling with which she expresses them takes my breath away. Be rigid in your opinions, fine - but how anyone thinks they're effective representatives of God by displaying hatred and disrespect is far beyond me.

Sorry for the rant. It just breaks my heart. It makes me nauseous.

Leesa said...

~deb: exactly. If they are already mad, this act of kindness sometimes makes them madder (or is it "more mad").

Mark said...

Lets all hold hands and start singing, eh? Lets feed and cloth the poor, forget about any crazy need for repentance and do it with love. eh?

That way we will have a bunch of well fed nicely dressed group of folks all walking towards Hell.

Deb, if I didn't love you, I'd lie to you, and I won't do that.

anoy saying,
Are you living in your mommy's basement? Come on man, that is just too funny! if you weren't serious.

Anonymously Saying said...

Hey Mark man, you have on one of your posts that you're sending hate up to New York where Deb is. Is that out of love? Or is out of your religion? I'm curious. The only one living in mommy's basement is you Mark. The evil troll who worships Satan. Act like a Christian and stop this false idea that your somewhat interested in knowing God. Dude, you need major repentance!

Gary Baker said...

a. s.,

As a father, I find that my children frequently do things that I don't particularly care for. That never stops me from loving them. There is no logical disconnect between hating a behavior, yet loving the one that does it. Even as Paul said, I often hate what I do, yet do not hate myself.

It's very true that God's word has been used as an excuse for all kinds of evil, but that doesn't make the word evil. And while it is easy to point out the misuse, very few give credit to the enormous amount of good done by people of faith every day. In those areas you mention (lynching, suffrage denial, etc.) I am pretty sure that any fair evaluation of history will find people of faith also opposing those issues.

Bottom line: People of faith use God's word to spur them on to good works. Evil people need nothing to spur them on to evil works. God's word just makes a handy excuse for those that have not studied it.

Deb,
I'll put your pair on my prayer list. I have some family members that I don't consider enemies, but they can certainly use a good deal more peace in their lives.

Mark said...

I'm curious

lol, really?

~Deb said...
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Mark said...

Well said gary! It's also curious that black folks in this country had the same Bible that was used against them, and it is and was indeed their Source of HOPE! in Christ!

Lisa said...

Mark, I appreciate your sentiment: "Deb, if I didn't love you, I'd lie to you, and I won't do that." It's sincere and comes from a good heart, I believe.

Please, please, please stop with the sarcasm and biting wit. This issue is obviously heated and painful enough for enough people without adding fuel to the fire. "Sarcasm is a gift; use it wisely," indeed.

It doesn't help you get your point across and it doesn't point people toward God. It hurts people and it hurts the discussion.

~Deb said...

Lisa: It’s really sad when they bash people, however, all we can do is pray for them.

Leesa: If they’re hot-tempered, they will be bothered by someone praying for them. If they are true Christians, they’ll appreciate the prayers that come their way.

Mark: You sound like a very unhappy man. I wouldn’t lie to you either, because I love you just the same. My prayers go out to you and Dani this morning.

Anonymously saying: Everyone needs repentance, however, through Christ, we’re all saved, if we truly believe in Him.

Gary: You said, ” People of faith use God's word to spur them on to good works. Evil people need nothing to spur them on to evil works. God's word just makes a handy excuse for those that have not studied it.”

Without studying the bible, we part ourselves further from God. I read, take it all in, pray and meditate on the word. I read the bible on a daily basis and God sends me messages through that very book. You are exactly right in your description regarding your kids. If my own father is able to accept me as a lesbian, then why do we think that God can’t do the same? Do we think God’s incapable of handling this? He made me the way I am.

Thank you for putting me on your prayer list! I’ll do the same! God bless!

Anonymously Saying said...

This dude Mark uses sarcasm and little idiotic jokes to get his message across, but it’s all done in bad taste. This guy is nothing but an evil spawn of Satan. He needs a life.


(I think I got lost in the order of the comments as you release them Deb! Sorry.)

Mark said...

This guy is nothing but an evil spawn of Satan.

...and I need help? LOL

~Deb said...

I think all of us do! :)

Lisa said...

"I think all of us do! :)" amen to that! :-)

Dani said...

Oh how sweet! Let me go grab my barf bag!

The main difference between you and me Deb, is that I no longer live a perverted life. I REPENTED of my sin as a lesbian and gave my life to Christ, unlike you.

See, the verse in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 actually fits for people like me since I did those things in the PAST so I my sins are washed away, and I am sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord. You are NOT!

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither FORNICATORS, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such WERE SOME OF YOU. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."

"WERE" meaning past tense, no longer doing those thing.

You are still a fornicating homosexual, so it doesn't look like you'll be inheriting the kingdom of God. Lucky for you though, you'll have a bunch of your "loving and tolerant" gay buddies to keep you company in hell.

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~Deb said...

But Dani, you missed the scripture right under that. I guess you seem to pick and choose your scriptures as you always did.

Underneath that scripture that you quoted it says:

Verse 11 goes on to say, “There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have done for you.”

Which was Jesus dying on the cross. Our sins are washed. The old law no longer applies, it passed away just as Jesus did. And I believe this to be true, because what’s the point of dying for our sins. Have more faith!

You’re condemning me to hell? The same way the Phelps’ family do. I pray for you, Dani, that you become a Christian who has love in her heart---not anger.

God bless.

Dani said...

No, I didn't miss it Deb - it's quoted right there. READ IT AGAIN!

I'll quote your version though:

"There was a time when some of you were just like that."

"WERE JUST LIKE THAT" = PAST TENSE.

Last I checked, you WERE still an out-n-proud lesbian.

Open your eyes and quit being so willfully ignorant of the TRUTH right in front of your face!

Anonymously Saying said...

The basic point being that biblical Christianity teaches Christians to love each other and to love their enemies. Very few (if any) other religions teach to love your enemy.

But a culture based on evolution is one that would naturally embrace survival of the fittest. And the extreme of that thinking, is that if I can increase my chances of survival or improve my living by killing you, then I am justified.

Also, a culture based on evolution has no absolute basis for morality. Sure, we create governments to uphold laws. But what if we agree that it's acceptable to kill anyone who doesn't have blue eyes? If the nation agreed on this law, would it be acceptable? This is basically Nazi Germany. They agreed that Jews should be eliminated from society, and Hitler even based this on survival of the fittest.

So the flip side is that we were created special by God. And if He created us, then He has authority to give us an absolute morality.

This Dani character is ugly. She's casting you into hell Deb! I have to chuckle over that!

She probably never read this scripture before in her entire life!

1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.


She needs God. I prayed for her already Deb, but sometimes there's no hope in evil.

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

Dani, past tense meaning that before Jesus, we were bound by the law. With Jesus’ sacrifice, the law no longer applies to us. It’s written in Galatians.

"You stupid Galatians! I told you exactly how Jesus Christ was nailed to a cross. Has someone now put an evil spell on you? I want to know only one thing. How were you given God's Spirit? Was it by obeying the Law of Moses or by hearing about Christ and having faith in him? How can you be so stupid? Do you think that by yourself you can complete what God's Spirit started in you? Have you gone through all of this for nothing? Is it all really for nothing? God gives you his Spirit and works miracles in you. But does he do this because you obey the Law of Moses or because you have heard about Christ and have faith in him?"

They were still living under the law. With faith that Jesus’ died for us, we are freed from this. This is my belief. I understand that you are comfortable believing in what you do, but there is no need to curse and ridicule others as you do so very well.

Anonymously speaking: She judges all and thinks she will take part in God’s judgment for the rest of the world who sins.

Luke3816 said...

The folks over on the religious right cite Leviticus as evidence that homosexuals are an unclean "abomination," yet they have no problem eating at Red Lobster. What gives? In our fondness for Easter ham, we Christians have fervently clung to the surface-level meaning of Peter's vision. But we haven't been as enthusiastic about embracing the larger, more important lesson God was teaching him there on the rooftop. When the "unclean" outsiders knock on our doors, we don't like inviting them in.

That, in a nutshell, is why some Christians happily dismiss one "abomination" while still behaving abominably out of allegiance to another. (Oh, and what about Leviticus' Jubilee laws? Those were never set aside by anything in the New Testament, but Christians no longer treat them as authoritative because, um ... well, because money is pretty and shiny and let's us buy nice things.)

There’s a lot of debate among Christians — and it’s not a new debate — over how much of the Old Testament should be followed and how much can be ignored. Many complex theological arguments are offered for this or that position, but much of the time what I tend to see is: follow the laws we like and that reinforce our prejudices but ignore the ones that are difficult for personal, social, or political reasons.


I will also pray for Dani. She's lost.

~Deb said...

Luke: Exactly. Thank you. She keeps saying that my defense is getting redundant, when in fact, her defense is the same thing every time. She calls people hypocrites left and right and yet, has her own crosses to bear.




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I had to delete Dani's comment twice, due to hateful spewing of her thoughts regarding homosexuals that included profanity. I'm not sure how she calls this "Christian love", but right now, I am not welcoming her comments on this blog, due to the vulgarity of it. She is scary. Sorry Dani, you need guidance...you need God. I will not tolerate that on my blog. If you comment again like you did just before, I will just simply delete delete delete. You are no longer welcome here.

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Matt-Man said...

Poor hate-filled folks...Hate is such a energy depleting emotion. And by the way, as proctologists always say, "Love Your Enemas." Cheers Deb...

~Deb said...

They say it's easier to hate than it is to love. So she's taking the easy way out I guess.

Cheers to you Matt-man!

Gary Baker said...

like3816,

If you go back a couple of posts to one titled "A Peaceful Debate," I think you'll find the reference to Leviticus handled fairly well. Additionally, your writing seems to indicate that you have a mistaken concept about the "Year of Jubilee." The Jubilee laws were given so that the land apportioned to each tribe of Israel would stay in the tribe. If you read the text carefully, you'll find that it was not about returning land that was "sold." What was sold was the value of the crops until the next year of Jubilee. That's why the price of the land was supposed to be reduced by a proportional amount when the "sale" occurred nearer to a year of Jubilee. You are perfectly entitled to criticize, but I generally find it better if you have a working knowledge of what you are criticizing.

Dani and Mark,

Deb and I know where each other stand, and that we disagree in love. But she claims the same savior that we do, and He will be the one that pardons all of us for our sins according to our faith in Him. You have made your feelings known on the subject. I would request now as a brother in Christ that if there is nothing more here that you can do in love, then withdraw in peace.

Amy said...

After seeing Dani's abrasive response to this post, the fact that she is a bitter and angry person who is only interested in cutting other people down. She completely missed the point and clearly picks and chooses which parts of The Bible that she feels she should listen to, and ignores others.

I will pray for her.
Right now.

I especially like:
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).

Thank you Deb.

~Dawn said...

~Deb
My sister in Christ, I know you enjoy testing your faith and that you have much more courage than I to face this much 'in-hospitable' reaction. But it can still wear a person down, and that is my concern for you. I know that you know yourself well and you certainly know how to handle yourself. I do enjoy watching your boldness and courage in the comments.
I pray that the arms of our Lord covers you well from any wayward arrows of the anti-christ-like behavior that is being communicated.

I prayed that prayer with you, as well and thinking of all the other hardened and angry ex-gays that are out there sharing their version of love, like a wolf in sheeps clothes.

Sandalina said...

Ummm...I feel kind of bad...but I'm also laughing at the foolishness of those two. (i.e. Mark and Dani)

I was trying to get to know more about where Dani was coming from and read her profile. I was totally shocked at what her favorite music and movies were--ones that glorify profanity, drug use, killing people, etc, etc.

It completely annoyed me that she was pouring out the wrath and judgement upon Deb and MY "weak faith" or whatever she classifies it, when everything Eminem sings about is completely offensive.

The two of them love sarcasm so much, so I "spoke in their language" just like they pointed out Paul did in the NT.

How is listening to THAT type of music glorifying to the God she claims she so loves? How is THAT type of music useful in building each other up in love?

Perhaps if she spent more time in the WORD of Christ alone rather than listening to some rich entertainer preaching hate, her eyes would be open and she could get what everyone is trying to tell her.

But, as the old saying goes..."Garbage in, garbage out".

And Deb, I'm sorry for sparking her hatred again towards you--it was just burning my butt that she feels she has the right to judge everyone and everything pointing out the "specks" in everyone else's eyes while hitting the rest of us with THAT HUGE HONKING BEAM sticking out of her own eye.

And Gary the part where you said:

People of faith use God's word to spur them on to good works

I totally agree with you. But good luck getting that through Mark's head. I gave up commenting to him on it...he didn't even post my last comment that included that scripture. And yes, I will admit I was pretty fired up at that point. There does come a point when someone pushes your buttons a little too much; however, I never feel the need to resort to profanity to get my point across.

Profanity to me shows such a lack of intelligence and control over one's emotions. It's like the person can't sit down and think of more intelligent words to use to get their point across. I'm not saying I don't swear on occassion, but COME ON, you're dealing with people who only know you based on the comments you write on a blog. Use your brain.

I have nothing in common with his views, although he wanted to point out that I'm probably "more like him and Dani then I'd care to admit." I'm my own person thanks and have never treated human beings with such vile disrespect while telling them I loved them let alone take my authority on moral issues from Eminem.

I don't want to be lumped in with Dani, or Mark. The only people in that fan club is themselves cheering each other on. Enjoy playing in the devil's pigpen together Mark and Dani...I don't play in the mud.

~Deb said...

Gary: ” I would request now as a brother in Christ that if there is nothing more here that you can do in love, then withdraw in peace.”

My blog is to inform those who feel that they’re lives are worthless, due to the awful words and hatred spread by people like Dani. Withdrawing is not my style. I say my peace with tact, not cursing or belittling anyone. If they want to share their beliefs, then great. But, if they come onto my blog cursing and saying disgusting things, then I will simply ban them from my website. I appreciate that you understand the limits on when to discontinue a debate, when it seems hopeless.

Amy: Thank you! She’s doing exactly what that scripture references, “Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with a blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.” (1 Peter 3:9)

Dawn: When you have the armor of protection (God and the bible)---everything else said in vulgarity and with evil intentions are just that—lost souls. I feel bad for people like Dani, who constantly focus on homosexuality, when in fact, she was once a lesbian herself. She should be more understanding, however, she chooses to judge, ridicule, and curse those who are different than her. She claims she’ll be taking part on judgment day. It truly baffles me. But, no, it doesn’t wear me down at all, because my work for the Lord is never done. That’s how I see it. It gives me great joy to spread His message!

Thanks Dawn!

Sandalina: You and I have come across this debate many times, and you never once used profanity or referenced to a song that a 13 year old punk would listen to. The music of choice is just surprising…or is it? Dani increasingly gets angrier and angrier as she debates. Then, when she finally feels cornered, she lashes out with disgusting words and hatred. I prayed for her not only on my post, but even on my own prayer time. I feel bad for her. She’s hurting inside, and it must take so much energy to hate so much. Thanks again for your input.

Anonymous said...

WHAT DOES JESUS SAY ABOUT NATURAL EUNUCHS?????????????????

Now what does Jesus say about those natural Eunuchs and about mutilated Eunuchs. Keeping in mind that the natural Eunuchs were the gays or homosexuals of the time.


KJV Matthew 19:12
12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Jesus mentions the natural Eunuchs (the true Eunuchs-the homosexuals), born from their mothers womb.

He also mentions the mutilated eunuchs (made by men), These are the castrated Eunuchs.

He also mentions those who simply abandon sex for the sake of spirituality.(Made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heavens sake.

As you can see in his statement above, Jesus also was not getting a 100% response. Notice the comment about, he that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Some obviously could not.

But Jesus said, that's the way it is.

Sandalina said...

I was so busy being irritated with those two, that I didn't mention that your prayer was beautiful and heart-felt--a true demonstration of "blessing those who curse you."

I find it interesting that when you point out to people that they are to LOVE one another, it is quickly excused as "tolerance for sin". In my opinion, this is so they can continue to justify their hate without having to follow Jesus' command. Just like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. Some things never change.

I was praying for Dani and Mark the other day, and I'm really trying hard at the moment to let the example you demonstrated here on your blog sink in, because I've just sort of "shook the dust of my feet" when it comes to them.

The hypocrisy of those two make it VERY difficult, plus, I don't think they really think they need or want our prayers. lol I'm sure they think our prayers are falling on deaf ears anyway. God's got Emimem up too high to hear us. LOL

You know I've been praying for you like I told you the other day. I truly believe that you are sincere and desire to live a life pleasing to God. That is evident to me unlike what I've seen demonstrated "elsewhere".

Oh, and...lol...I'm trying really hard to not "trade insult for insult", but Dani is setting me up really good and I enjoy a good laugh. LOL

God bless, Deb--have a fantastic day! :)

~Deb said...

Anonymous: I’m not sure I understand your point regarding the Eunuch’s. What type of response to Jesus were you referring to?

Sandalina: “I’m trying really hard not to ‘trade insult for insult’”. It’s what she’s looking for. Dani wants conflict. She wants to see everyone’s evil side spew out, like her own. Don’t do it. Show her the wonderful person that you are. Show her love. Show her how wonderful it can be when you treat people with the same respect as you would want in return. Believe me, I’m not perfect. I sometimes get angry and upset and say things abruptly- but it doesn’t do any good.

Dani’s credibility is shot when she curses and lashes out. She made two comments which referred to ‘disgusting homos’ and used profanity in her last comment, which had to be deleted. I feel very bad for her, she seems so unhappy. That’s why I pray for happiness for her. I want God to give her peace. She doesn’t have peace in her life- it’s evident.

And, I’ve also prayed for you. I thanked God for coming across such a beautiful and well-spoken person. Though we share different beliefs upon certain issues, the key word is “sharing”. You speak with love. I’m totally grateful for you! God bless, and thank you so much for being you!

Anonymously Saying said...

Dani's a digusting example of a Christian. In fact - she's not a Christian. She's a sheep in wolves' clothing. How dare she speak of our God in such an ugly light?

I LOVE THE FACT she's an EX-LESBO! A true hypocrite! She probably misses the good old days Deb!

GW Mush said...

::::sprinkles holy water on Dani:::: as i wiggle my butt hehe

What fear would feed upon, love overlooks, what fear demands, love cannot see, In our savage search for sin, we pounce on it & drag it to our master to be devoured.

I prefer to be a peacemaker, a fountain, a bundle of cuddly love, a stick-up deodorant in a toilet bowl:)

Rochelle Ratner said...

Society is plagued with numerous ills and modern people of power continue to attempt to transfer the guilt of the community to those easily disposed of. Sexual minorities are easy targets for some very clear reasons. First, minorities are those who do not hold large numbers, and are therefore not as influential or powerful as others. Also, sexual minorities are viewed as other-than-the-norm. It is easy to prey on fears and blame homosexuals for all that is wrong with the world. While it is easy to place blame, calling others evil and portraying them as evil leads to harassment, violence, and even murder.
It would not be appropriate to say that religious and political leaders who have demonized the homosexual community are directly responsible for violence and murder. However, no thinking person would deny that they have contributed to the kinds of acts that have befallen sexual minorities. When one claims that God hates homosexuals, or that God’s Will is for sexual minorities to suffer, a climate of hatred and blame is created.
Most of the influential men who have claimed to speak for God on the matter would undoubtedly find violence and murder reprehensible. But this does not necessarily translate down to the community when men are brought up to use violence as a tool to protect their own masculinity. Those who would dare to condemn homosexuals must share some of the responsibility in the blood of those that have been hurt or killed for being different.

Dani’s no different. Who curses and preaches at the same time? Who would dare reference such an awful song to distribute love, or what she thinks is love. Be careful with this woman. Sure her name isn’t Dani Phelps?

Pittchick said...

You're a better person than I am. I would just say "fuck em!"

But, as Leesa pointed out, it pisses people off and I'm all for that!

Mark said...

sanalina said I totally agree with you. But good luck getting that through Mark's head. I gave up commenting to him on it...he didn't even post my last comment that included that scripture. And yes, I will admit I was pretty fired up at that point. There does come a point when someone pushes your buttons a little too much; however, I never feel the need to resort to profanity to get my point across.

I have never not posted any of your comments dear. I also have not resorted to any profanity(at lest not today) my dear.

I have never made devine judgement on anyone, nor will I ever.

Now back to my gift of sarcasim, used only in love to expose the folly some worship...
My love is like a fountain of cool spring water, cleansing the heart and soul with bubbles of unconditional forgiveness so all my partake in the heavenly flesh of our god-like spirit. We all need to acknowledge natural law allows for same-sex relationships. We are called as christians to go further in exploring the present queerness of our bodies in church, and we must celebrate the implications of an enacted queer ritual to it's fullest which we, as little god's may please our natural god who lives in all humanity. May the work of love be done. Can I get a Amen?

~Deb said...

My entire reason for blogging about religious matters plus the LGBT community is all written in this scripture:

“God has given each of us the ability to do certain things well. So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out when you have faith that God is speaking through you. If your gift is that of serving others, serve them well. If you are a teacher, do a good job of teaching. If your gift is to encourage others, do it! If you have money, share it generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly.

Don’t just pretend that you love others. Really love them. Hate what is wrong. Stand on the side of the good. Love each other with genuine affection, and take delight in honoring each other. Never be lazy in your work, but serve the Lord enthusiastically.

Be glad for all God is planning for you. Be patient in trouble, and always be prayerful. When God’s children are in need, be the one to help them out. And get into the habit of inviting guests home for dinner or, if they need lodging, for the night.

If people persecute you because you are a Christian, don’t curse them; pray that God will bless them. When others are happy, be happy with them. If they are sad, share their sorrow. Live in harmony with each other. Don’t try to act important, but enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don’t think you know it all!

Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Do things in such a way that everyone can see you are honorable. Do your part to live in peace with everyone, as much as possible.

Dear friends, never avenge yourselves. Leave that to God. For it is written:

“I will take vengeance;
I will repay those who deserve it.” Says the Lord.

Instead, do what the Scriptures say:

If your enemies are hungry, feed them.
If they are thirsty, give them something to drink, and they will be ashamed of what they have done to you.
Don’t let evil get the best of you, but conquer evil by doing good. ~Romans 12:6-21


My ability and gift to communicate with many people through the internet and through the purchases of many of my books that have been sold, I’ve had people turn to God and realize that they’re “okay” in God’s eyes. They continue to worship God and be grateful for who they are…and how they are.

With each post I write on a religious matter or something concerning the LGBT community, I pray and meditate on it. Then, God tells me what to write. Even if people don’t agree with me, it’s okay. I’m sharing my faith and beliefs with all of you. You can simply “X” out of my blog, or you can share with me what you believe. But, the one thing I will not tolerate is hateful spewing full of profanity from someone who claims they’re a Christian.

My prayer on my post today was sincere. I prayed for Dani that she would have happiness, health, and love. It wasn’t mean to provoke ill feelings. I’m sorry she took it as such. I guess, because it came from “lesbo Deb”, as she calls me, it was disregarded and taken in the terms of a malicious attack. Praying for someone is not attacking them. I wish she knew that. I will continue to pray for her, regardless of how much this women hates me, as well as the rest of the homosexuals who don’t live the life she does.

Thank you all for your input! I truly appreciate it.

QUASAR9 said...

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing. (1 Peter 3:9).

HARD TO DO (sincerely)

Okay, another reason to love your enemies: It sort of pisses them off. lol Leesa

SEE WHAT I MEAN

Maddie said...

I was touched by your post Deb. You truly show a loving example of Christ's love for others. You do what He said to do which is to spread the Word, to love others and to show and give forgiveness to those who persecute you. You are blessed and His light shines in you. "Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world."
I am touched, but not surprised at yet another display of His manifestation in you. For I have been blessed by you in my own life for many years and still today, you are a wonderful light in my world. You are blessed and loved. Dani and Marc need to read the verses you posted over and over again. They need to practice love and edification in the Christian walk.

Video X said...

Ugh.

I am not giving a religious opinion.

These crazies' behaviors are just seriously ignorant.

It makes me sick to my stomach. It is depressing as well.

I can say I am glad I do not live or think like Dani and the other freaks of nature. I truly am relieved.

I wish they would just leave you alone, BUT THEY WON'T!!!!!!!!! It's insane behavior on their part. ..psychotic behavior...scary behavior. I'm glad I don't have people like that around me. I know, I know, somehow they will pull out a bunch of crap claiming how you started it, you're evil, blah blah BULL SHIT!

They go around and around with each other. It's very unstable. AND SICK!

And it makes me sick :(

Sandalina said...

I guess my last comment to Mark got lost in cyber space unless I posted it in the wrong blog entry on his blog.

Whatever...doesn't matter. Just clarifying that as I don't want to be made out to be a liar. ;)

~Deb said...

Maddie: Thank you. Practicing love and edification is foreign to Dani and Mark. They’re too busy playing God. You’re the true meaning of what it means to be all loving- I appreciate you and thank God every day for having you in my life! Love you!

Video: Don’t let it get to you. These people are sick to their stomachs, in the sense of being unhappy with themselves. Obviously, they display a nature of hatred that only produces negativity. Don’t let that rub off on you- you’re better than that.

Sandalina: No. You probably posted it on the right blog. I seem to recall a few of my comments ‘getting lost in the shuffle’ on Mark’s blog. At least I tell the person who’s being banned from my site that I’m withholding their comments. Believe me, I know you’re not lying. It’s not your nature.

The Rev. Dr. Kate said...

Deb -in your prayer for Dani and for Mark you modeled what we are called to do for one another in love. You continue to turn your other cheeck and offer blessings and not curses. Whatever our sexual orientations, we are in the great theologian Karth Barth's words, "All under judgement." As St. Paul says, "We have all fallen short of the glory of God." We are all redeemed sinners and all of us continue to stumble from time to time no matter how faithful we are. We all "see through a glass darkly" and as such, we need to refrain from judging others and instead, support one another constructively in our lives of faith. No one of us is holier than any other and NONE of has the right to ridicule, shame, belittle or demean another human being made "in the image and likeness of God."
You remain in my prayers - that you will continue to be strong in your faith, continue to do the work Christ has called you to and that you be protected from the evil words and energies coming at you and supported in love by your friends.
Blessing!

Video X said...

I just noticed there is some of the whole anti-profanity going on. I pride myself in profanity usage. I particularly like to use it in these kinds of situations, but I did hold back. The reason would be...when I think someone is an idiot, I think that they can relate better to that kind of language. Plus, it just makes me feel better to use it in these cases. I also seem to have noticed in these cases, where the subject is so misunderstood and particular idiots start promoting hate crime and judgement, that a large dose of profanity brings some people to start focusing on that and then the nonsense at least briefly stops. Yes, I know they think I'm stupid. Frankly, I don't care. I'm not that insecure. Oh yeah...I'm all for the short term fix! SOOOOOOOOOOOO...whoever was saying stuff about that wench using profanity...I gotta tell ya...I can better her...she can't even match me on cuss words!

(Also, profanity has nothing to do with intelligence...cuz I'm pretty fucking smart ;) )

Regardless, some people are still stupid.

OH YEAH ONE MORE THING! Deb, I am definitely trying to plan on getting out your way this year. So, put a martini (okay really some wine) on hold for me.

Mark said...

Deb said this which she knows is a lie. Deb, you know me better than that even if you don't want your readers to understand..You probably posted it on the right blog. I seem to recall a few of my comments ‘getting lost in the shuffle’ on Mark’s blog. At least I tell the person who’s being banned from my site that I’m withholding their comments. Believe me, I know you’re not lying. It’s not your nature.


My last comment responding to sandalina's missing comment which is clearly recorded..

Mark said...
sandalina,
slandering ??? Are you kidding me! Make a mental note: certain parts of the BIBLE have been deemed legally - Hate Speech very close to our home.

Perhaps Deb is the closest thing you have come across to 'being bad'. Realize there are those who spend time witnessing on death row and get spit at, told to F off, and pissed on before you ever use the word slander here again. Their language may offend you as well. They are dealing with men and women with numbered days and they both know it!

Dani nor I, are here to adjust our personal blogs, opinions, etc.. to yours or Deb's personal wish list so that we may be more like "Gary", God bless him.

think before you type.

...just as You did before trashing me on Deb's blog before you understood my stance and apologized to me for?

I forgive you! You, Dani and me are more alike than perhaps you care for.

BTW: Deb has made the same type of comment she did to Gary, to Dani, myself, and I bet others, many many many many many many many many times!

Wake up sister, it's her business. You and her 'loved ones' are buying it because your skin ain't ready to proclaim Christ First and human desire last. All in the name of 'love' & 'tolerance'. I suggest we find a happy medium, knowing eternity is at stake, and offend and piss off before it's too late. I could be wrong, but I don't think so at this point.

4/28/2007 11:55 PM


Maybe that hit too close to home? Unlike many accusers here, I know ALL sins are able to be forgiven. Repentance, however is not optional. Nor should sin (that which seperates us from God) be proclaimed as HOLY. Dr Kate should tell most of you as much if she had the spiritual "balls" towards proclaiming and not enabling the lies we ALL so often buy into.

kathi said...

In this life we've been warned about believers being persecuted by non believers. How sad that believers are now being persecuted by believers as well.

Mark said...

Can I ask the good Rev Dr Kate how she ascertains Right from Wrong? and while I am at it, do you dr kate think God is indeed Christ?

Your wet noodle sin loving doctrine I must say is harmful to the body of Christ. Would you dare debate a hack like me for all to see, so we can learn what a good Dr Rev can teach others about hate and being judgemental? I offer myself and my 'hate' filled opinions to be torn apart by your most learned self for the sake of others seeking God. Unless you are inded the coward I suspect you are? wink

GW Mush said...

I have been trying to help Video X with her profanity issues.
Hard to tame that little woman! hehe

Dani said...

I'm sure you'll just delete my comment, but at least you'll have to read it first.

------------------------

Deb – One more thing about your sappy little prayer for me – Save it, I don’t need your prayers.

Unlike you, I am extremely happy and satisfied with my life. I am married to a wonderful man with three beautiful girls enjoying the daily fulfillment family life has to offer – something that you will never be able to embrace.

Why? Because you are a neurotic lesbian who suffers from depression, OCD, ADD and half a million other mental disorders which you are dependent on medication and therapy for. Perhaps your depression and all these other disorders are the Gods way of saying that your abominable lifestyle is abnormal and is conflicting with the Holy Sprit who you claim to serve?

Pray for yourself, Deb. Pray that the Lord will bring you a spirit of humility which will bring you towards repentance so you don’t have to suffer from all these illnesses any longer. Pray that Jesus Christ will set you free from your bondage of sin and prideful perversion. Pray that you will learn to bring Glory to God instead of mocking Him.

~Deb said...

Rev. Dr. Kate: I tried to. I feel so sorry for them. They’re primary focus is homosexuality and the sin of it. I don’t know about you, but to me, focus on God, focus on loving one another instead of targeting the sin or ‘what they believe’ is to be a sin. Thank you for having me in your prayers!

Video X: I would never judge you. You have more spirituality than these fundies will ever experience. The martini is waiting for you! Let me know!

Mark: I did send a few comments over to your blog that I never saw published, however, blogger is a whole other issue. I have a comment literally “stuck” in my moderation section and I can’t even tell who it’s from.

And do not put you & Dani in the same category as Gary. He approached with me respect, unlike you and Dani spewing hatred and hell damnation. You two sit around playing God while the halos are holding your horns.

Kathi: Interesting, huh?

GW Mush: She’s a softy. Don’t be afraid of her.

Dani: I released this comment because there were no profanities used. I also released this comment to show everyone what type of person you are. It’s clear that you don’t bless those who bless you, nor do you bless those who curse you (which I would never curse you.)

I am so happy that you’re satisfied with your life. I’ve prayed for this, and hoped that you were. So thank you for letting me know. I honestly and sincerely pray for you. And, why say you don’t need prayers? Prayers are wonderful to receive, Dani! And please, I would love for you to pray for me- but pray sincerely with some heart in it- get all that hatred out- that can’t be healthy.

Yes, I go through bouts of depression- that’s PMS time. I think it’s normal bouts, but more so, I suffer from anxiety and panic disorder. I take low dosages of ativan to control these attacks when needed. I go to a therapist once a month and I’m not ashamed to say that. Why would you think I would be ashamed of that? And yes, I am going through this for a reason, maybe God needs me to go into these states of depression so that I can create more music and compose music, and tweak my writing a bit. The best creations are made in the most extreme emotional states. Overall, I am very satisfied with my life. I have such a loving and caring partner who treats me like gold. We’re “equals” and do things for one another. I have a best friend + partner in life. We have a huge family all over the place and we’re so appreciative to have so many friends surrounding us. Financially can I be better? Sure! But, I’d rather the love and contentment that comes from God, my partner and my family above having financial wealth.

I do have to say Dani, that my prayer to you wasn’t filled with hate. I wished health and love for you. I wished prosperity and that you would be filled with joy. Your prayer to me was sarcastic sounding, and condescending.

I will still pray for you Dani. I think you’re a beautiful person who’s suffering from some sort of conflict going on. I can’t say what that conflict is, but if you ever, EVER need to talk, email me anytime and I promise you I’ll be there to talk with you. I know you’ll reject any invites of conversations with me, but I do love you as a sister in Christ.

Love you Dani---I do!

Yours truly,
Your Neurotic Christian lesbian with ADD/OCD/PMS/SAD/ESP on meds and a martini straight up with olives.

Anonymously Saying said...

How do we respond when someone is unkind to us, or hurts us, or curses us? How did Jesus respond?

The natural response would be to treat them the same way they treated us, but that is not how Jesus responded and that is not how we should respond either.

Paul said, “Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Never pay back evil for evil to anyone.”1 Paul said, “when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; when we are slandered, we try to conciliate”;2 Paul said, “If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, ‘VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY,’ says the Lord. ‘BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD.’
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”3

Jesus said, “bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.4 Think of someone who has hurt you, or mistreated you, or cursed you. Pray for them now, in love.

I ask the Father in his great glory to give you the power to be strong inwardly through his Spirit. I pray that Christ will live in your hearts by faith and that your life will be strong in love and be built on love.5

Dani, If you struggle with feelings of bitterness and revenge, go deeper with Christ, until you know him and love him the way he really is.

Deb, you did exactly what Jesus did. Dani basically cursed you in prayer! Keep praying for her, even though she is foaming at the mouth with pure evil.

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

I honestly feel for her. Whatever conflict she’s going through can be resolved. Or is it a bigger issue? In the bible, it teaches us about having a quick temper. And believe me, I have a quick temper myself, I will admit to that, but when someone is coming to you in love, why lash out so harshly? I never understood that with her. I know that she absolutely detests that I’m gay, but that’s who I am and that’s how what I’m happy with. She hates that I have a great relationship with God, and a great relationship with someone of the same sex. She says that I’m mocking “her” God. God is for all of us. He created all of us. In my honest opinion, she’s mocking God by not trusting that Jesus died for us and paid the price in full.

Debating over religion is endless, as you can see from the wars that went on and that are still continuing. You can’t change people. If people have great faith in their God with beliefs that go hand-in-hand with it, you cannot alter it. You can alter someone who is weak in faith, but not someone who knows Christ and loves Him with all their heart. Plus, I wouldn’t trust one word someone says, when they’re speaking so harshly, cursing and belittling you.

Look what Dani has done. She “tried” to hurt me by saying I was depressed. Is this something I don’t know? I mean, I go through bouts of depression from time-to-time, but that’s typically normal for people. She delights in the fact that I have a ‘mental illness’, such as anxiety attacks and depression and use medication to help myself. Is this Christ-like?

I hope God blesses her and shows her complete unconditional love. It has to literally drain her with so much negative emotions flowing inside. I'd rather be depressed than angry 24/7. I hope that God shows her the way.

Sandalina said...

K, done after this and looking forward to another lighthearted post Deb does like the "Mom" one from a few days ago. :) This debate just goes round and round...

I don't know if I should respond to Mark here or on his blog, but whatever...

1) Mark: I responded to that comment. I don't see that response anywhere on your blog. So stop insisting that my comment is NOT missing. I did not stop commenting because your "comment hit close to home". Quite the opposite actually.

To sum it up for ya, I was basically telling you to simmer down--you freaked on me--with sarcasm and profanity as usual. I don't remember my exact words but it was something along these lines:

I told you you had a problem with anger and I quoted a scripture to you about how your words are supposed to build up those around you, not tear them down.

You were talking about something completely irrelevant in regards to deathrow inmates cursing at those witnessing to them and implied that it would offend me.

I pointed out that people who DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER don't offend me, so using the deathrow inmate comparison was pointless. You DO know better, (supposedly, although now I have serious doubts) and yet you just continue to curse and swear at me, Deb and anyone else who doesn't agree with you.

I remember saying that "Christians" like you were one of the reasons I left "the church" a long time ago. I'm finding my way back, but I can't say you've made me ready to jump right back in there. The past few days have been a good reminder of why "church" drives me crazy.

The following stuff was not in my original comment, but needs to be said.

I do not blame the church entirely for the choices I made, but people like you with your "Until you act like us we don't accept you" philosophy left a bad taste in my mouth. I was alienated for falling in love with a non-Christian man and almost every single one of my friends stopped talking to me. I could have married the most rotten man on earth, but as long as I told them he was a Christian, it would have been all good.

They were quick with the judgments though. They could quote scripture inside out and backwards, but they never once truly embraced me or my now husband. Never reached out to me. I heard lots of great gossip and rumors about how horrible he and I were though. Great example of Christian love, eh?

Funny though, we got married and some of those "friends" started talking to me again. I am very wary of those "friends".

You know Mark, you deliberately sin everytime you open your mouth with sarcasm and swearing towards us, and yet feel you are justified to tell us how wrong we are. Oh wait, "you're working on it" you said to me a few days ago. Good way to excuse yourself and go right on sinning.

You'll defend Dani who quotes Eminem right along with the Bible and cheer her on, and yet those of us who are reaching out to Deb and befriending her (as much as you can on a blog...lol) are completely detestable to you and you can think up a million and one scriptures to sarcastically "put us in our place". You condemn this "love" as "tolerance for sin" which is ridiculous.

Being tolerant of sin is sinning in your OWN life and showing no remorse. Loving and being friends with those around you who don't think or believe the same way as you do or who are unbelievers is not the defintion for "tolerance".

So am I tolerant of my husband? I've told him he's a sinner, lost and going to hell, but I don't need to tell him that everyday and treat him like a horrid person. I need to love him. I need to be an example to him. I need to show him that Christ did and does INDEED make a difference in my life.

What would breaking up with him have done? Or divorcing him do? Huh? It would do nothing more than show him that I thought I was better than him and didn't care enough about him to continue to love him. It might "push" him into a decision to be a Christian that was not out of sincerity but out of fear of losing out on something, and he probably wouldn't have had a real change.

I relate to Deb, even though our situations are different.

You would have had a problem with Jesus himself. And if you don't agree, just look at your behavior the past few days, it is not far off from the Pharisees of Jesus' day. You are not open to being teachable or correctable.

2) Deb: I told you Dani would say she didn't need our prayers. lol

3) and finally: make us laugh again, Deb. lol

~Deb said...

By your request, another light-hearted post for you---maybe not funny, but good to know anyway. :)

Thanks Sandalina, for being human and understanding what we all struggle with 'together', as Christians.

God bless!

Anonymously Saying said...

Dani is one sad woman. All she can do is wish she had the life you have, wish she had the loving partner you have and dream to be happy as you are. Look at her! She's complete evil! Don't sweat it. This woman is more unhappy than we can ever imagine. She's brainwashed by her husband and trained as a barefoot and prego wife living like a slave.

Believe me Deb, you don't want to embrace such a life as that one.

Embrace God and be thankful for the life you have!

Dani's sick. She's ugly. She's mean and she's a horrific example of anything that stands of Christianity.

She makes me sick! Mark is just the same. They're the same people babe. Don't let them comment anymore. They can only spread hate.

Ugly people spread ugly words.

~Deb said...

Amen to that! Just pray for Dani. She needs lots of prayers of love and encouragement.

Take 2 said...

Deb and Dani,

i could not stand to read anymore of your blog comments to each other anymore.

Both of you need to quit it.....

Check your heart before you speak and listen to what Jesus says not what your fickle womanly emotions tell you to do.

I love Jesus.... I am not proud of either one of you acting like this, in fact..... I am saddened by this insane display of going back and forth trying to prove the other person wrong.

We give an account to Jesus.... the Holy Spirit needs to convict us not each other.

Stop, examine your hearts and apologize to each other wiht Jesus' help.

This is going nowhere.

Blessings,

Dana

The Rev. Dr. Kate said...

Mark - From St. Paul, "If anyone thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall."

ann said...

oh my goodness, are they at it again?

what is wrong with some people?

they should look inside themselves and worry about their own souls

sorry you've going through this nonsense again