Monday, May 28, 2007

Child Abuse X-Pose

As I researched a bit on the web about Dani’s pastor, Bob Enyart, as most of us know, this man has a lot of downfalls himself. I believe Dani’s post here explains much about her life and how she may be abusing her own children. Her pastor has taught her much about how to raise children.

In an article written by Kieran Nicholson from the Denver Post Staff, it’s clearly evident that these teachings of Enyart eventually trickle into those households of which go to the Denver Bible Church.

Denver Post, April 10, 1999
Enyart handed jail term in stepson's beating

"April 10 - Denver Christian radio talk-show host Bob Enyart was handcuffed in a Jefferson County courtroom Friday and led to jail to begin serving a 60-day sentence for beating his stepson with a belt.

(Note: This is not an actual photo of Enyart's son, this is a child who has been abused by a parent, to show what harm physical abuse can do.) Enyart was convicted in 1995 of misdemeanor child abuse resulting in injury for inflicting bruises, welts and broken skin on the buttocks of his stepson, Stephen, who was 7 at the time. The misdemeanor case took two trials in Jefferson County and almost five years to play out.
"It's been a very long process, it's been very hard on Stephen,'' said John Mayns, the boy's father and custodial parent. Through the lengthy process, Enyart claimed that he did nothing wrong, saying in 1997 that "taking a boy to the woodshed'' was once "politically correct.'' Enyart did not address the court Friday. But Mayns said the discipline was more than a mere spanking.
"He did not spank him, he beat him,'' Mayns said. The beating with a belt, for which Enyart was sentenced to jail, happened in the boy's mother's Arvada home. Enyart disciplined Stephen, at the behest of the boy's mother, Cheryl, for refusing to take a shower. The couple was dating at the time, but was not yet married. He was also accused of beating his stepson another time on a camping trip in El Paso County but was later acquitted.

Cheryl Enyart declined comment as she left the courthouse Friday. Mayns said his son is now just starting to recover from the incident. Stephen and his older brother, Anthony, 17, both see their mother but Enyart has been ordered by the court to stay away from the boys. Enyart, wearing a black T-shirt that said "Judge Rightly is not some guy's name,'' was at ease in the courtroom prior to starting his jail term. He held his toddler daughter in his lap. Enyart was fined $1,498, which he must pay within 30 days of finishing the jail term. He is on one-year probation and must also complete a parenting class and a mental health evaluation as part of the sentence.

On internet resources, Enyart is right out there in the open. His struggles with pornography ultimately suffered.

Enyart is a self proclaimed right wing, religious fanatic,
homophobic, anti-abortion. Enyart speaks his mind harshly, humorously and occasionally (and admittedly) disrespectfully where he deems appropriate. Enyart’s motto "Do right and risk the consequences" is indicative of his style of argument and evangelism, he prefers to speak what he believes to be truth, regardless of the possibility that he may offend, or worse.

He advocates for a
Constitutional Monarchy under the leadership of a King, and would exclude a woman from becoming a regnant. In an article published in the Denver weekly newspaper Westword, Enyart said that "it's natural that men lead the household" and that households that are led by women turn out to be an "unhappy household." He also calls for the establishment of a criminal code under the Old Testament (or the Mosaic Law as Enyart likes to emphasize) as national law which includes the death penalty for offences such as homosexuality, murder, attempted murder, adultery and abortion.

Homosexuality was frequently singled out for criticism by Enyart, who sold T-shirts imprinted with the slogan "Homos Make Me Sick", and once played the song by the rock band
Queen "Another One Bites the Dust" as the names of AIDS victims scrolled by on the screen.
Enyart criticizes even the most right-wing conservatives, citing rulings and/or behaviors indicative of liberalism. He has openly denounced and rebuked right-wingers such as Supreme court judge
Samuel Alito and Dr. James Dobson for allegedly compromising on various conservative values and engaging in Legal Positivism."

On Dani’s husband’s radio show, they spoke about a young girl who is traveling overseas to become part of the Kekoa family, as well as their church. In Curtis’ radio show, he stated, “Deb’s jealous, because she tried convincing Maxime to live with her.”

Lies within the Kekoa family are rampant. This, I believe, stems from the church that they go to. They’ve been conformed to think that the mindset of bigotry is right and valid and that the deaths of all homosexuals should be legal.

In a comment posted by a blogger named, Anonymously Saying, after hearing the slander and lies spoken by Curtis Kekoa, he wrote:

“Hey Dani, your husband sounds as though he's been home schooled as well. What a moron! Well, I guess you're living a happy life with that loser! He can't even speak past a 6th grade education level. NICE! Maxime, Deb offered you her home in New York, as Curtis said in his dinky radio station that no one listens to? Interesting, because I know Deb, and she never offered that to you.

So you're moving in with liars. Remember, Dani and her "intelligent husband" participated in orgies. I wonder if that's what they're planning for you. Are you over 18 by the way, Maxime?

I know that they're pastor was in jail for beating his child and was addicted to porn, which his marriage suffered from. I just hope you're making the right decision. If you surround yourself with liars and those who tear others apart, just think about what's going to happen to you when you get to Denver. Maxime, honest question........what did you think about Curtis' show? What did you think about his behavior overall?

Dani, Curtis, if you saw how Deb lives, you'd be jealous yourselves. She's an established author as well as business owner who has a gorgeous girlfriend. She has what's called a J.O.B., which your wife will never, ever have due to her lack of education, as it's so obvious by her writing, or constant copy & pasting of other articles. Both of you deserve each other. Denver Bible Church, huh?

Bigots.”

5/28/2007 12:26 PM

Dani replied:

“If you're going to post garbage on my blog, at least get half your facts straight and quit lying and slandering people you don’t even know. Of course, anything 'straight' is probably impossible for you to do. Yeah - if we saw how Deb lives we'd barf all over the place. I'm really jealous of a neurotic lesbian with multiple mental disorders and a schizophrenic personality. PLEASE!”

5/28/2007 1:17 PM

Slandering? Is it not true that Dani and her husband lured a young girl to move overseas into their home to join their church? Is it not true that Dani is indeed a housewife, home schooling her children? The post she wrote about disciplining children was clearly about child abuse.
Although these types of dialogues can’t be affective or productive, if we can take a step back and try to figure out the reasoning for the child abuse itself, then maybe we can get it into people’s heads that abuse is not the answer.

If they’re so against abortion, then why aren’t they against hitting a child? Child abuse kills. It kills their spirit, their hope, and their trust. I do believe in discipline, but not the harmful type. You can do serious damage, physically and emotionally.

The words of Curtis and Dani Kekoa spew evilness. Their words are not productive, loving and encouraging, and in my opinion, their blog should be shut down due to such extreme hatred. If you all feel the same as I do, I would encourage you to go to Dani’s website and hit “flag blog” on the upper left side of the web page for objectionable content.

Her desire for killing homosexuals and her support for child abuse is appalling. This will be my last post about Dani and her “church”.

Thanks for hanging in there with me!

73 comments:

Maxime said...

Deb, they are not luring me. I made that decision ON MY OWN, with the support of my family.

Second of all, she doesn't abuse her kids. They get a spanking when it's need, they don't get the crap beaten out of them.

Anonymously Saying said...

Remember the other “blogger” who lied about you and got arrested the very next day? She was all the way across country too! Although she didn’t go to prison, it went on her records permanently.

A good old fashioned spanking, is that right Maxime? Is that what they told you? You’re in for a rude awakening when you arrive to their home then, I can only imagine.

I'm glad this was revealed, Deb. Their true colors certainly got displayed like the gay rainbow. ;)

Dani said...

Deb - I already said it was my mistake about you asking Maxime to live with you - Deb said to Maxime - "Do you feel that your family members would take you in, instead of being in Dani's household? I'd opt for that if it were me." I thought you were opening your house to Maxime, I stand corrected.

Get over it already!

And about my post on my other blog that promotes "child abuse" - all that was posted were verses on discipline which were taken directly out of the Bible, so you need to take that up with God - you know the one you claim to worship.

~Dawn said...

Is it not true that Dani and her husband lured a young girl to move overseas into their home to join their church? Is it not true that Dani is indeed a housewife, home schooling her children? The post she wrote about disciplining children was clearly about child abuse.

I don't know the specific ways they would have lured a girl over from overseas, all I know is that the family and Maxime need our prayers. I won't speculate about what I don't know.

As for the post, to me it didn't speak about child-abuse directly unless she added comments to that effect. IF verses pulled out of context of the bible are considered child abuse, then the whole bible should be considered porn because of all the sex and violence.

So I believe it is a negative on the post itself. All we can do is log her information and keep records of believed child abouse.

Grace to you all,

Jon said...

"Second of all, she doesn't abuse her kids. They get a spanking when it's need, they don't get the crap beaten out of them." -from Maxime

I'm against even touching a child. This is abuse to me.

Maxime said...

Jon: Than our opinions differ. I believe a spanking does no harm. And no, I'm not talking about beating the crap out of your kids.

Deb: You indeed never asked me to move in with you. Danielle apologized.

Like I've said before, I'm not being LURED. Seriously. This is a choice I made. I've put a lot of thinking and praying into it and I believe this is right for me.

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

I’ve been involved in the investigation, treatment, and prevention of child abuse since I first became a social worker in 1972. Through the years, I noted many parallels between abuse and religion. As such, I came up with a theory regarding Christian denominations from my observations that, to the best of my knowledge, has never been explored: the most serious cases of physical abuse I encountered were in Christian fundamentalist families; the most serious cases of sexual abuse—including that of my ex-wife by her father—were in Roman Catholic families. The theory may not hold water, but has proved consist in my 35 year professional experience.

GW Mush said...

Bob Enyart appears to be a very disturbed individual and i cant understand why people would congregate under his leadership.

ok, be right back, making Oprah a snack... she is hungry againnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Dani said...

Deb - with the post you wrote and with "biblical scriptures", you feel that it's okay to hit your kids with a rod?

Those are God's instructions for discipline, not mine - if you have a problem with that too, it's just more evidence that you are not a Christian and you like to twist Scripture to fit your feelings.

Well, one thing is for certain, you will NEVER see my kids on SuperNanny – Bunch of out of control little monstrous brats who hold their parents hostage with temper tantrums, hissy fits, breaking things, and whining and crying to get their way. No, my kids are the sweetest, happiest, most loveable, secure, well-behaved, mannered kids around. Yeah – the “naughty corner” really works!

P.S. Looking forward to hearing from your attorney.

James C said...

The picture of the abused child that is NOT Bob's son is deceiving in your post. If you had the real pictures it would show small welts on the bottom, not abuse at all but the result of a traditional spanking. Of course you are a lesbian, so twisting the truth should come easy for you.

Enemy of the Republic said...

I don't hit my son. Violence begets violence. And I would tell it to God's face--actually I already have. Every night my son hears in his prayers that I ask that he knows Jesus's full love and that he knows the love of his parents. My son is no brat, and we are strict. But even my husband knows that if anyone, even he, laid a hand on him, I would grab him and go. Would Jesus hit a child? This is one area of the OT in which I believe it spoke either for a different era, or God was dealing with a hard hearted people. God never wanted divorce, yet he allowed Moses to alter laws due to hard heartedness. So I am with Jon on that one.

James C: I am not interested in fighting with you, but please explain one thing: why would Deb's openly admitting to being gay (many are closeted) equate her twisting of the truth? That strikes me as a non-sequitar. It is not my intention to be rude.

Anonymously Saying said...

WHOA! Deb, CLICK HERE!!!! It shows Dani bad mouthing you & also diagnosing you like a psychiatrist! haha! As if she should talk! EVEN MORE SO------check out her scary friends!

Priceless!

Gary Baker said...

"the most serious cases of physical abuse I encountered were in Christian fundamentalist families;"

The most serious cases of physical abuse I can cite is abortion. I know of relatively few Christian fundamentalists that engage in it.

Amy said...

James C: If a child has any sort of mark from any sort of discipline, it is abusive. Emotional marks, physical marks...ANY.

A welt comes from something much more aggressive than a spanking!


What does sexual preference have to do with truth telling????

kathi said...

I spanked my kids. I believe in spanking, and I do believe it's scriptural 'spare the rod, spoil the child' and all that. But there is a huge difference between spanking and beating. I don't believe in any kind of abuse, it all leaves scars.

Actually, I'm the only parent I knew while my kids were growing up who did spank, or use time outs and the only one I know of who still 'grounds' their kids. I'm also the only parent I know whose kids have never, ever been in any sort of trouble, and I have a closer relationship with my kids than any parent I know. At 16 and 17 years old, my boys my biggest blessings and my best friends.

Deb, I'm sorry you've had such a hard time with others attacking you and your blog. I love you so much.

Anne said...

Deb, yes these hateful people are offensive, but to my way of thinking, their opinion carries about as much weight as the crazy guy who hangs out by my local library and yells at phone poles. Why do you bother with them?
I am concerned about the children though. Instead of arguing theology with a lost cause, wouldn't your time be better spent forwarding a copy of Dani's blog to some child protection agency?

SpongyBones said...

I'm not a perfect person and don't claim to be. Today, I read a Danis' cruel blog saying that she was a proud homophobe and that Jesus does not love homosexuals. I also read that she believes in hitting a child.

You can't separate a woman from what she has made her life into. I have never met her, I will never wish ill upon her and in fact I knew nothing about her.

That was until I encountered the propaganda that she is spreading about Deb and others like her.

She continues to slander anyone who does not believe in her truth and fight against freedom and equality.

Who knows how many families disowned their gay kids, abused their kids or how many of those kids committed suicide as a result of the homophobic abusive climate she helps create.

Hitting a kid for any reason is wrong. I've been hit by my father who is a minister. I will never forget it as long as I live, nor will he I'm sure.

Anonymous said...

What a digusting human being this Dani character is. I just read a few of her posts and got sick to my stomach! My God, she should be locked up!

GW Mush said...

To the ladies who frequent this blog, I have been a naughty boy and I think I might need a spanking!

Dont use a rod, your bare hands will suffice, hehe

Shelby said...

Been following your blog silently for awhile and I want to tell you that I am a staunch supporter of yours.

However - you have GOT to give up the debate with these people Dani and Mark. I don't agree with them but they are firm in their beliefs, just as you are. They cannot change your mind, and you cannot change theirs. Like someone else said - the Holy Spirit brings about conviction on both sides of this discussion, not Deb, Dani, or Mark.

They will continue to attack you. You are WASTING YOUR TIME by engaging in discussion with them, and you are openly inciting rancor between yourself and Dani with this post. You are not exposing anything about Dani - you are, as someone else mentioned in another post, one upping her just as she and Mark do to you.

You ask them to agree to disagree with you. DO THE SAME WITH THEM. You say that they are obsessed with you and your lifestyle, but this post shows your level of preoccupation with them as well. If you truly want peace in your life, CULTIVATE IT. You are creating drama for yourself and then feeling like a martyr when they insult you. I say this in love.

They may have started this fight, but they won't end it. You know that. YOU have to end it.

You cannot discuss intelligently with people who hurl insults. They bring out the side of you which also hurls insults. You're not innocent of that - I know you already know that and I'm not trying to point fingers. I don't believe you're mean-hearted like they are, but they are so entrenched in their hardcore fundamentalism that they bring out the meanness in people, including you.

My point is - STOP TALKING WITH THEM. You will continue to bicker and insult, it will continue to add drama and stress to your life, and it hinders you from hearing God's voice speaking to your heart. Put a stop to it in your own life.

If you truly want peace and truly want to find God's will for you, then recognize what distractions you're in control of cutting out of your life and DO IT.

Spoken in love,

Shelby

RyanF said...

Mr.Enyart had one trial and was found Not Guilty, then was tried Again and found guilty in a liberal community.Mr. Enyart was honest to what distroyed his first marriage and in an effort that not only destroys many men told that pornography hurt is wife and caused a divorce which hurt his children. Enyart was cured,with Christ help.42percent of Christian men have the problem.
I Believe that the people that Hate Enyart don't hate him but Hate God and Jesus and God's Word.

Lisa said...

Hahahahahaha.. RyanF, you make me laugh. With a statement like that, you have GOT to be a troll or something. How ridiculous.

I don't care about Dani, her church, or Enyart - I'm interested though, RyanF, as to how Enyart was "cured" and what he was diagnosed with to begin with? Please enlighten us.

Anonymously Saying said...

RyanF’s grammar is as good as a 4th grader’s. Maybe he was home schooled? Oh wait, can it be that Dani home schooled this poor guy?

Read an English book my friend. How did you ever comprehend the bible? Unreal.

Benita said...

Can I just say something in regards to Dani’s husband’s God awful radio show? This man doesn’t know how to speak publicly. He has a severe odd stuttering problem with a laugh similar to someone who’s a bit psychotic. It almost sounded like a 7 year old making fun of somebody. How embarrassing Dani must be! (Sorry to feel bad for Dani!) He is a disgrace!

Deb, I agree with Shelby, let these psychos get attention from other people. They do not deserve your time. What losers. I was really trying to be open-minded, until I heard his show and of course, read Dani’s blog.

Her kids should be taken away! I hope CPS are informed about them. I would suspect that they're not in good hands at all.

P.S. I'm another lurker that has been reading your blog for quite sometime. I fully support you as well.

Anonymous said...

I'm stunned....absolutely stunned. Will this crap ever end? I really, really feel for all these children.

Is Dani's cult going to all have a big party soon and drink a bunch of red kool-aid?

James C - are you saying all gay people lie?

God created things that creep and crawl, and Dani's cult seems to have them all.

Jo said...

Deb,
I've been trying to think of something to say to this ... but I can't. Child abuse just makes me sick, then to have people add to it, God says ...

All I can think of to add to your comments is this quote;

Robert M. Pirsig (American philosopher/writer):

"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion."

RyanF said...

Unfortunately I am a Public High School Graduate. We made sure that our kids went to a Christian school that teaches them. They graduated years ahead of the godless school system. I don't have to hide be hide an anonymous name either.

Anonymous said...

Most violence in a domestic violence in the home is between two non married people. The man has little respect for the woman compared to a husband for a wife. The next time in the newspaper there is a report of domestic violence look for if they are married or not. This comes when the single mom has these shack-up boyfriends over who will sometimes don't like children interrupting their free services and hurt them.

Anonymously Saying said...

RyanF, first of all, you sound like Curtis, who happens to be one of the most uneducated men on this planet, along with his homebound wifey.

I’m not under “anonymous” you fool, I have a blog. You don’t. I think you need more of a teeny-bopper blog to start trolling around on. It’s more your speed buddy.

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Ã…sa said...

Deb you sweet thing! Hope the lawsuit goes your way. I do agree with Shelby and some of the others though: leave these nutcases bee! (Jeez I hope I don’t use the wrong words here!) But don’t let them slander you, so to bring in a lawyer is correct if you ask me.

In my country (Sweden) it has been against the law to hit or even lightly spank children since the seventies. And still we have managed to grow up to be responsible and loving adults with good careers (some of us). If people want to spank their children they should move to some other religious fanatic country where it’s only the religious scripture that dictate right and wrong. Let America become a country where respect can be taught and learned without violence (which spanking is).

take care!

The Rev. Dr. Kate said...

I agree with enemy of the republic. Violence against a child is wrong and only proves that the perpetrator is a bigger bully. My children are 7 and 18 - both boys. I have never raised a hand to them and they are both lovely children. My older son is graduating from high school, receiving academic honors, has never been late for a curfew or received a detention in school. He is respected by his teachers, friends and boss. My younger son does not whine, is helpful at home and to others and parents of his friends comment to me on his lovely manners all the time. And yes - I am a single parent and the head of this household (my husband is dead, which makes me a widow).
The discipline of the Old Testament reflects a different time and culture. Jesus does not preach violence in any form, in fact, counsels us to "turn the other cheek" and pray for our enemies. Our children deserve no less than this standard from us.

Anonymously Saying said...

I found an article on Curtis Kekoa.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4191/is_19990914/ai_n9958825

"Cadet dismissed in mail theft case
Gazette, The (Colorado Springs), Sep 14, 1999 by The Gazette
Air Force Academy Cadet Justin G. Saravia was dismissed from the academy Monday for stealing mail from fellow cadets.

In a court-martial, Saravia pleaded guilty to stealing mail, attempting to steal mail and conspiracy. He pleaded not guilty to breaking into cadets' mailboxes but was found guilty on that charge.

Saravia, a junior, was one of 17 cadets investigated for stealing or attempting to steal mail late last year.

Cadet Curtis Kekoa III was found guilty on the same charges in August and also was dismissed from the academy."


Looks like our little friend who likes to talk crap on his radio show has a little problem.

He's a thief.

UMM...Thou shall not steal?

Maybe he's cherry picking his scriptures.

GirlGoyle said...

Religion is complicated enough without having to add the millions of crazy fanatics. This is why I steer clear. In particular in this country where millions of religions are "made up" and have no historical foundation. And here I thought that a God fearing person and a believer had to be in primis good at heart. And aren't reverends and preachers supposed to teach humility, respect and good? Instead they seem to be following in the trash you read on the papers everyday in order to receive publicity. And who are these people that follow in their footsteps??? What is the world coming to if we are allowed to even discuss child abuse and religion in the same sentence? Makes me sick. In my day and age and in my culture a preacher or reverend that goes to jail or is arraigned for acts such as these would be regarded as scandalous let alone have a following. And crazier even that this woman whose son was belted then proceeded to marry the guy. Nothing but con artists. It's crazy!! Thanks, I'll stick to my very simple and basic love for God, a God that certainly doesn't condone corporal punishment in particular to the little ones. That is an interpratation of the bible by us mortals, or should say distortion.

Gary Baker said...

"Religion is complicated enough without having to add the millions of crazy fanatics. This is why I steer clear. In particular in this country where millions of religions are "made up" and have no historical foundation."

By this country, I assume that you mean the United States. I beleive that you will will find much higher rates of religiously inspired violence in other countries, particularly in the middle east.

And there are indeed a lot of "made up" religions. For instance, you speak of a God that does not condone corporal punishment in relation to the Bible, which speaks of a God that condones not only corporal but capital punishment. I think the key is appropriate discipline or punishment as the situation requires.

Jon said...

Has anyone considered calling CPS for investigation? It's just an investigation and if they're not hitting the child than they have absolutely nothing to worry about, right?

It's a constructive idea that may help.

Anyone who hits a child is a big fat bully. They feel powerless, so they feel the need to hit small children. Disgusting if you ask me.

I have a 22 yr old son who's in med school. I never once spanked him, hit him, or gave him any type of verbal abuse whatsoever. He has always been my #1! He's well mannered, intelligent, educated and loving. I know in my heart that if I ever had hit him or verbally attacked him, he'd be in a different place right now.

My son makes me proud. It's sad to see grown adults abusing their children.

Matt-Man said...

I am stunned Deb. How does such a well mannered, successful woman attract such morons? I've got to hand it to you though, there is evidently something about you that brings the cockroaches out of the sewer water for all to see. Good Job and keep it up. Cheers!!

Anonymously Saying said...

I just read a comment over on theologyonline, and Dani said, "Thankfully, we've never met her, but if we're ever in New York we'll protest her house."

I wonder if they ever read this post.

I bet they would get a rude awakening if they ever did show up at your door.

Either that, or get so freaked out by Manhattan's gay & lesbian community---forget about being scared off by some "Saprano" type of scene!

Video tape this Deb! It'll be one for the records!

Gary Baker said...

"Has anyone considered calling CPS for investigation? It's just an investigation and if they're not hitting the child than they have absolutely nothing to worry about, right?"

Right. Absolutely nothing. Except the fact that undoubtedly others will see the people show up. Rumors will begin. Add to that the fact that some CPS offices have financial incentives to seize children which can bias representatives in some cases. Add to that the hassle that the parents get as they answer legal summons for hearings (which can also contribute to rumors about them starting in the work place.) Add to that the damage done to a child being pulled away from his parent. Add to that the fact that exonerations are never as well publicized or accepted as allegations.

Don't get me wrong. I am not in favor of child abuse and certainly not on the side of abusers. But if you think that filing a report of suspicion is something to be taken lightly, you might want to reconsider the harm to the family that this action can cause if you are wrong. And in my opinion, filing such a report anonomously is both an act of bullying and cowardice.

~Deb said...

I personally feel that a child care provider, like daycare or in the schools should be aware of signs of abuse, such as bruises, cuts and significant suspicious marks on their body. No one should call CPS, unless they take care of that particular child and know for sure that there is in fact, abuse in the home.

I agree with Gary on this one. You can assume, but you cannot accuse. Big difference.

Brandon Allen said...

Deb-
You're a moron. Spitting in God's face to justify your perversity will only get you to Hell.

~Deb said...

God bless you too, Brandon! Have a nice day and thanks for stopping by!

Jon said...

Well like I said Deb, only for investigation purposes. It's worth it.

Brandon, hasn't Bob Enyart done enough spitting in God's eyes? Whoever follows this pastor has to have a few screws loose!

Yeah, let's beat our children, and watch porn and call ourselves a pastor!

Hypocrites!

Natalia said...

Deb, you know I love you. I just don't get why you are bothering with such trash as Dani and Curtis and all of those crazy people. I know that when you see how confused these people are about everything and how truly unhappy and lost they are, you might want to save them. But, I have learned in my years of teaching, you can't save them all. These people are so indoctrinated in this bullshit that they cannot see the truth. Yes, we all feel sorry for them and we wish that we could open their eyes. But, at the end of the day, they are adults. And one day, too late, I reckon, they will realize that it was all a lie. And hopefully, they will all get arrested for anything they do that is not legal. I would love to see you move away from having anything to do with the wackos. For your mental health and your safety.

-N

xine said...

According to an article on stuff.co.nz, there is a Christian group in New Zealand who says this is okay.

This group, Family Integrity, is distributing an eight-page booklet on how parents should use physical punishment under current New Zealand law.

Some gems from their advice:

Smacking does so much good for the child and for you

If the child is angry after the smack, you have not smacked hard enough

When children challenge defiantly, you must win conclusively
I’ll stop there before I become apoplectic.

The spokesperson for the group even says “…[m]any Christians did not want to see smacking banned as that would take away parental authority, but he conceded the brochure would appear as ‘total nonsense’ to non-Christians.”

The law that is under consideration for repeal, Section 59 of the Crimes Act, has been used in court to successfully defend parents who have used bamboo canes and riding crops to discipline their children. This brochure is part of an effort to keep the law on the books. They’re even parading around a Swedish lawyer who says that the anti-beating laws passed by Sweden has “ruined” families and children.

Are you effing kidding me? I’m no Christian scholar, but giving your kids a beat-down seems to be completely opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Frankly, I’d like to beat on some of these parents who are advocating this.

Do kids need discipline? Absolutely. But giving them “10-15 minute smack sessions”?! No way.

GODLESS PEOPLE!

Miranda said...

Im with Natalia...dont give into their crap. Total useless crap.

Loud Mouth said...

"Deb, you know I love you. I just don't get why you are bothering with such trash as Dani and Curtis and all of those crazy people." Natalia says.

There are so many gays and lesbians weak in faith, due to the tortur and beatings (verbally and physically), that Deb feels it's important to make it known what liars these radical Christians are. I find it a breath of fresh air to see the contradictions, the hypocritical actions and the hateful words that come out of these nutjobs' mouths, because it shows that you're not supposed to treat humans like that.

Dani's a depressed housewife who can't do anything else, other than post about Deb and try to get her to be a heterosexual. Dani should get a job!

I wonder, when you're home schooled, do you get some sort of diploma? Don't you need credentials in order to teach your children? Maybe her parents home schooled her, which is why she cannot get a day job.

Gary Baker said...

"Maybe her parents home schooled her, which is why she cannot get a day job."

Separate issues. More and more homeschoolers are coming to the forefront in things like National Spelling Bee, National Geography Bee, etc. And I've read about a lot of schools with "credentialed" staff that don't teach squat. Fortunately, charters are on the rise. When school choice becomes a practical reality, a lot of the quality issues will be better addressed...

Video X said...

I go to that blog purposely to hit "flag blog" frequently, but thanks for another reminder! I was slacking.

That picture and story of that child made me absolutely nauseated. Disgusting.

Anonymous said...

Dani has a job. she is a childcare provider in her home.

Jon said...

Uneducated child provider who "spanks" her kids with a rod. Niceeeeeeeeeee!

Video X said...

It's awful that girl is being sucked into their cult. Very scary. We studied cults in my sophomore religion class...as well as other philosophies...probably the most fun religion class I ever had in high school! It's really very terrifying though. If she ever gets out of it, she will always be miserable. My son's uncle got wrapped into one...he's deprogrammed and out now....but his life is just so unhappy.

Lisa said...

Five years ago, a well-meaning but misguided ministry family invited me to live with them in another country. I went. I was so excited to go and saw it as a huge opportunity and a gesture of grace by this family. I was so excited to grow in my relationship with God.

I left after four months, and those four months were the most painful time of my life for reasons that are personal.

I don't know Dani or her husband, and I'm sure Maxime will argue that my situation may be totally different from hers. She may be right. The fact remains, though - leaving your home and your country and moving in with another person's family is JUST NOT WISE. If only I could go back in time and change my own decision to do so.

Jon said...

She's making a huge mistake that she'll regret for the rest of her life, Lisa. Seeing that you've experienced this for yourself will hopefully shed some light on Maxime. She's lost, and the "wolves" in Denver are taking advantage of this great opportunity to put her at work in their church. The work of the devil in my opinion!

Maxime said...

*sigh* I actually decided to leave this alone, but I do feel the need to respond.

I live in Holland. However, I've lived in the US before AND I also have dual citizenship. My Dad's an American and I also have an American passport.

My Dad will be close by and he will keep an eye out, on my mother's request. So if anything should go wrong (which I'm sure it won't) - I'll have family close by to go to. I've been planning on moving to the States ever since I was a little girl, so for me this isn't a choice that came out of nowhere. Neither is it for my family.

I know you will ask why I'm not moving in with my family, but that is personal and I feel no need to explain that any further.

Anyway, I hope this clears up stuff and if there are any questions, my emailaddress can be found on my profile.

Jon said...

I have to wonder if Maxime is doing this purely out of citizenship and to get married, as Dani wants her to.

Maxime said...

Jon: Like I said in my comment above, I already HAVE American citizenship. I am an American. And I'm also Dutch. That's the good thing when your Mom is Dutch & your Dad is American - 2 passports, double citizenship.

Lisa said...

Maxime, please know that I'm not trying to pry personal information out of you. Believe me, I understand that some things should be kept private. I have no plans to ask why you're not moving in with your family.

I'm glad you'll have family close by, just in case. I'm also glad you're optimistic about this move. Just know that you never know how things will turn out. I only offer that because I've been there myself. Your time may be wonderful. Mine was truly unbearable. Just know that it's possible.

Jon said...

Okayyyyyy then, I stand corrected, Maxime. I'm glad that you're going to live with Dani and her husband for the "right" reasons.

;)

Maxime said...

Lisa, thanks for your kind response. I understand where you're coming from. I'm sorry you had an unbearable time.

I'm defenitely optimistic. I feel that it will all turn out great and if it doens't, I have my family close by. My Mom demanded that ;)

Natalia said...

Scary!

-N

Loud Mouth said...

Dani said on this website,http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38410&page=3

"We don't spank with our hands because our hands are meant for loving. The Bible says to use a rod (wooden spoon, switch or belt) for correction. Bob used a belt on his stepson and the boy’s dad was a cop (if I have this correctly?) and probably didn't like the fact that Bob was disciplining his son so he pressed charges."

First of all, Dani's kids should be taken away from her! She just proved that she beats her children with tools! How sick is this woman?

What a disgusting human being. Sorry, but she makes me sick! As for Bob Enyart? He probably still beats his kids and wacks off to porn ----and still preaches! Sickos!

NEWFLASH Dani! Even if the son's father wasn't a cop, he still would have been arrested. She doesn't care for the rules of the law I guess.

Bigots and child beaters.

Jon said...

Dani and friends are lying hypocrites. This post is based on facts with resources and references.

"Christians" will do anything to hide their shameful lives.

Go ahead, hide behind the name of God, but will God save you in the end? I speak this to Dani and friends.

A society full of corrupt and mean-hearted people.

MICKY said...

CHILD MIGRANT
As an example, I will cite at length one women’s description that typifies the cruel treatment experienced by many former child migrants, treatment that clearly constitutes criminal assault:
I remember cowering beneath the single sheet and when I turned to look I saw her red, bulging face and the huge, thick strap in her hand. She bellowed “Get out of bed”, to which I slid further under the sheet. The next thing I felt the strap come down across my body. It was the most painful thing I had ever experienced. She continued flogging me, ranting and raving, until I could take no more. I jumped out the other side of the bed and ran around the dormitory, trying to get away. I could hear some of the other girls whimpering under the sheets … Sister Rita…caught me and dragged me back to my bed, kicking and screaming, where Mother Michael proceeded to strip me, tearing and ripping at my nightie, exposing my naked body … she threw me down on the bed and viciously flogged me until she had crushed and shamed me. She was like a women gone insane, showing no mercy at all. The pain throughout my body was unbearable … and I had been humiliated beyond imagination. I was going through puberty and my body had been maturing for sometime, to be stripped for all to see, was horrendous.
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY

MICKY said...

CHILD MIGRANT
As an example, I will cite at length one women’s description that typifies the cruel treatment experienced by many former child migrants, treatment that clearly constitutes criminal assault:
I remember cowering beneath the single sheet and when I turned to look I saw her red, bulging face and the huge, thick strap in her hand. She bellowed “Get out of bed”, to which I slid further under the sheet. The next thing I felt the strap come down across my body. It was the most painful thing I had ever experienced. She continued flogging me, ranting and raving, until I could take no more. I jumped out the other side of the bed and ran around the dormitory, trying to get away. I could hear some of the other girls whimpering under the sheets … Sister Rita…caught me and dragged me back to my bed, kicking and screaming, where Mother Michael proceeded to strip me, tearing and ripping at my nightie, exposing my naked body … she threw me down on the bed and viciously flogged me until she had crushed and shamed me. She was like a women gone insane, showing no mercy at all. The pain throughout my body was unbearable … and I had been humiliated beyond imagination. I was going through puberty and my body had been maturing for sometime, to be stripped for all to see, was horrendous.
PEACE BE WITH YOU
MICKY

Anonymous said...

Brian Enyart here.

Quick update:

Maxime and I are doing great and we're expecting in August!

Married life is awesome and Maxime and I are both so grateful to God for bringing us together.

-B

~Deb said...

Wonderful news, Brian! I wish you love, happiness and health for you and your family.

I wish you a long and happy marriage, just as I have of 14 years! :)

God bless! Learn from your father to guide you what "not" to do. ;)

Anonymous said...

Bob Enyart is a nutcase. I know the guy and he is shunned by most of the Christian community for his past and present actions. Remember, he is on his third marriage. He cheated on his first and second wife.

Bob should not be a pastor, due to his past and his divorced status. He is technically in adultery now with his current wife, as wife #2 is still alive, which he divorced wife #2 after only 1 year of marriage.

Denver Bible Church is a cult. Plain & simple. The people are so brainwashed, they actually are called "followers" of Enyart. They revere Bob.

I feel sorry for Maxime. In all honesty, she is very young and naive. When she gets older, she will look back at where and what she has done, that is when she will leave Brian and get out of the Denver "Bob" Church. She is still young and doesn't see the truth. When she gets into her mid to late 20's, she will realize that Bob and the "church" are nuts and will leave. Poor Brian, but he chose to marry a teenager. He can become like his uncle "Bob" and get a divorce.

Sad, truly sad.

Anonymous said...

Talk about HYPOCRITES:

Bob Enyart always says, "Don't do evil so that good may come of it."

Just a couple of days ago he, along with his family members and other Denver Bob Church attendees, criminally trespassed on private property. They went to the office of James Dobson, violated the law, criminally trespassed on his private property, in order to confront him because Dobson now supports McCain for president.

They did evil (broke the law and trespassed), so that good may come of it.

ENYART IS A HYPOCRITE , LIAR, CON-MAN, CULT-LEADER, ADULTERER, CHILD-ABUSER, AND A SHAME & DISGRACE TO REAL CHRISTIANITY.

Anonymous said...

it doesnt matter how many people say that child abuse is just a whopping. some kids out there have no home and r still bein abused. all children should b loved and b normal lil kids. all child abuse should b stopped right now in school in my child and human development class we're talking bout shild abuse. and i agree wit some ppl that say that ppl that abuse kids must have been like that when they was kids and they think that their kids dont feel anything. y dont they take it from someone that has been abused. it's not a good thing. i was 9 when my dad abused me and yet i know that when i have kids im not going 2 sbuse them and my bf was abused as a kid 2 and he has 3 kids and he doesnt abuse them so not all ppl that were abused as kids will abuse their kids.
STOP CHILD ABUSE. all abusers need 2 b in jail and they need 2 get the death penlty. yes i have given my opinion and ppl need 2 listen 2 it

CrazyAreU! said...

I recently commented on Dani's blog about her posting at 4 and 5 in the morning and how that couldn't possibly be beneficial to a "Homeschooling mother of 6". She of course didn't approve it and changed her settings to not show the time. She is so hypocritical.

Not sure if you know but they had a falling out with Enyart, some kind of allegations of child abuse (Shocking!!). I wish more people would get the word out to combat these sickos.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how Maxime and Brian feel towards Dani and posse now, or vice versa since there has been an on-going slander campaign by the Kekoas to discredit their former Denver Bible Church members for reporting them to the State of Colorado for child abuse, and endangerment due to their abusive discipline practices and habitual illegal drug use.

The Kekoas lived and breathed DBC for many years, yet they think that a cult will just let them peacefully walk away. On top of that it's not that DBC has lied about the Kekoa's abuse and drug use, they just "X-Posed" it.

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