Wednesday, April 25, 2007

The "Truth" About Homosexuality

In a world baffled by religion and different interpretations of various beliefs, we’ve become more separated from God and even more so with our own people. We’ve alienated those who are different from us. We’ve only accepted the ones that look like us, walk like us and think like us, but we refuse to welcome those that stand strong in their own set of ‘beliefs’. Some call it ‘knowledge’, and others will simply say it’s ‘truth’. Whose truth?

My gay brothers and sisters have been chastised for years, taking blows from radical extremists in the midst of their heated anger. They’ve been stoned to death, beaten by their very own kind---humans. Religion is the core reason for wars. Some would die for their God. Some would kill for their God. Where is the love in killing? The Ten Commandments teach us, ‘thou shall not kill’, yet we’re killing people left and right due to others not believing in what ‘we’ believe.

Misinterpretations of love. I truly believe that many people misinterpret the messages in the bible. When “Christians” ridicule homosexuals, they bring forth the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. This story is based upon power and rape---not homosexuality. Jesus never once spoke about homosexuality. He spoke more about the immoral ways of heterosexuals in the bible. Promiscuity is the prime target when speaking about sexual immorality—not loving one another. People cannot distinguish between love and lust sometimes. They feel that if two people of the same gender are together as a couple, that they’re immoral and sinful. Premarital heterosexual sex is overlooked by many churches. Ironic.

In my belief as a Christian, Jesus died for all of us up on the cross. I believe that He took away all of my sins by doing this. I’m washed clean. You’re washed clean. God knew that we would have an extremely difficult time here on earth, if Jesus didn’t sacrifice His own life for us. We would be doomed forever. His blood washes us clean from sin. We don’t live by the old law anymore. We live and walk through the grace of God and with gratitude, we are accepted by God.

Here… Look at Galatians chapter two verses 17 through 21:

"But what if we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then find out that we are still sinners? Has Christ led us into sin? Of course not! Rather, I make myself guilty if rebuild the old system I already tore down. For when I tried to keep the law, I realized I could never earn God’s approval. So I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ. I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. So I live my life in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me an gave himself for me. I am not one for those who treats the grace of God as meaningless. For if we could be saved by keeping the law, then there was no need for Christ to die."

So, if we don’t believe that ‘faith’ alone will save us, then we don’t fully trust that Jesus died for us up on the cross. Do we trust Jesus enough? Was it enough for Him to die for us? Did He actually take away our sins by doing this? Or do we keep clinging to the old law for safety? The law will never save us. Only Jesus can. (In my beliefs.)

Many “Christians” will yell out, “Repentance!” But what does repentance really mean when we come to the Lord? It means to develop a relationship with God. It means that we accept that we are flawed as humans, and that we are saved by Christ. It doesn’t mean that we have to keep saying sorry for every single ‘humanly mistake’ that’s been made. Don’t you think God knows what we do? Do you think your secrets are hidden by God? He made you. He knows everything you do. He sees every sin that’s committed, He hears every word that’s spoken and reads every motive in your heart. Even in the darkness, your secrets are revealed. Accept the fact that God knows you. He made you. And, get this----HE STILL LOVES YOU!

Don’t let them chastise you any longer. Stand strong in your faith—whatever religion you practice and know that God loves you. Judgments from other human beings are just that—it doesn’t hold up very well. The only judgment you should be concerned about is the one that comes from God. Other people are so miserable in their own lives, that they feel the need to criticize those who are happy and content in their walk with God.

Be strong!

This is a video I made, which I’ve shown once before on my blog, but I feel the need to post it up again. I apologize for the small lettering in the clip, however it was my first run with iMovie.


77 comments:

Sandalina said...

Wow.

That's a scary picture. It makes me cringe. When parents put "messages" like that on tee shirts and have children wear them, I strongly believe it is a form of brain washing.

They aren't teaching their children anything other than to alienate people and hate. It is so wrong because they are children and are so impressionable.

My question to the parents of those who put tee shirts on their children like that would be: "So what are you going to do when your child comes home one day and tells you that he/she is gay?"

Deb, we may not hold all the same views on homosexuality, but one thing is for sure, "Christians" who perpetuate that kind of hate disgust me. It is so frightening to see that kind of hatred in the eyes of so called "Christians" who excuse it as a "holy and righteous anger". They have no idea who Jesus is and what he came to do. Sigh.

Your blogs always challenge me to think, and I like that. :)

Have a fantastic day!

Sandalina said...

Sorry, one more thing...I was curious about their website and who was brainwashing children with this crap...your blog from today is LINKED on thier site ALREADY.

Wow. They are scary. SCARY.

God help them. They are going to get a cold slap of reality come judgement day.

Do they have someone appointed in their church to "watch and report on Deb's blog"?

What a bunch of lost, hate filled people. So sad. Like I said, God help them.

Anonymous said...

Sodom and Gomorrah was base on human guilty pleasures. all humans have some kind of guilty pleasure. It is told as you know that it was filled with people who drank, party so to speak and was filled with sex no matter what kind of sex, gay and straight. it was filled with people who didn't have god in their hearts. who had no religious structure. There for it was condemn by god as a place of evil. for you have nothing and become nothing without god
so i think it was on human
self indulging, on pure pleasure with out god in your heart

Rural Lesbian said...

Great video! You should consider redoing the text so us semi-blind folks can read it.

Natalia said...

It's sad that people like that have the right to raise children in such a horrid way. To teach a kid to hate is to rape them.

-N

Dave said...

What a terrible thing to teach a child. God hates !!!!!
If they really knew God they would know that God gives us all the ability to love and love is what rules the world. God did not say who or what to love. Just LOVE.
I pray for the parents of these kids. May they find love and show love.

Matt-Man said...

Dont let Fred Phelps find ya Deb!! People really need to mind their own business. Cheers!!

Anonymous said...

I keep reading and hearing about how God loves everyone and that homosexuality isn’t really a sin, its just the way some people were born and they can’t help it. Well, its not true. Homosexuals want to be queer. Everybody starts out straight.

There is a huge movement in America (and the world) to justify homosexuality as "just another lifestyle". Queers are trying to force their CHOSEN life style on us. They are attacking us in our schools by trying to force lessons which will convince students that its perfectly acceptable to choose to be a queer.

Well first of all if everybody was born queer then the human race wouldn’t last very long because there wouldn’t be any babies after awhile and we would just die out.

In the Bible, in Genesis, God created Adam and Eve. He could have created two men or two women but He didn’t. He created two different sexes. So right from the beginning God meant for men and women to be together but not two people who are the same sex to be making love to each other. The thought of it just makes me sick! Men kissing other men? Yuck!

J R Estelle said...

The little girl in the red shirt has the PERFECT facial expression. It screams to me "I have no idea what this is about but I'm a kid and have to do what I'm supposed to anyway." But the look is priceless. By the way...if you ever want the physical address to the "God Hates Fags" "church?" - I can do that, because I have MAD SKILLZ!

Catch said...

Jesus died for all of us....and it is for none of us to judge each other. we are suppose to love one another as he loves us.

Miranda said...

This so saddens me on all levels.

Mark said...

Any sexual relations outside one man and one woman in Marriage will have it's consequences and is wrong/sin. The issue is not about same sex attractions, it is about living under the headship of Christ. The 9 people, most of which are relatives, that make up this Westboro group would also do well to learn their God does not exist and they too are guilty of twisting scripture. Satan knows scripture better than most who profess themseleves Christian. Sadly I see that quite a bit here.

It doesn’t mean that we have to keep saying sorry for every single ‘humanly mistake’ that’s been made

you walk a very muddy line Deb. True worship is born in repentance. Are you to be accused daily? NO! For in repentance we have and know Christ has cleansed us. Big difference from walking in guilt, which satan loves, and walking in Christ keeping His Holy commandments. The entire NT is about our responsiblities to God in the new covetant. Are you saved by keeping the law? NO. Did Christ abolish the law? NO. Now go work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Christ will be right beside you. Love you! :)

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

Hi Sandalina: Isn’t that scary? It’s the point of their whole outlook on their religion, the basis of all their beliefs is focused on condemning homosexuals goes out of control. Isn’t the whole focus about God? And yes, I totally respect your beliefs and views about homosexuality, it’s when people start hating you due to ‘religious beliefs’, instead of talking to you ‘in love’ in a not so condemning way. There’s a huge difference! And no, I did not know I was linked to their site…pretty interesting though. Thanks so much for stopping by!

Hi “Anonymous”: You said it right there- “It was filled with people who didn’t have God in their hearts, who had no religious structure.” I totally agree with you.

Rural Lesbian: I would, but the images are long gone from my computer, and it’s been up on Youtube for quite some time now. I’m going to make another one soon. Thanks!

Natalia: They think it’s the ‘right thing’ to teach. These kids will be growing up with the mindset that it’s okay to kill people who are gay. They use the old, ‘Well they killed the homosexuals in the beginning of time and it should be so today’ kind of attitude. Awful, isn’t it?

Dave: That’s the whole thing----if they really knew God, they would know that God is all about loving one another. It’s the biggest commandment. I guess they forgot to teach that in Sunday school at their cult-like church.

Matt-Man: I’m ready to take Phelps head on. I am strong about my beliefs and can back everything up with scripture----if him and Shirley want to go there.

Anonymous: Well, that’s why we have straight people and we have homosexual people. I was reproduced by a heterosexual couple, but was born gay. And yes, I do think it’s genetics, regardless of what you believe. And right there, when you say, “Men kissing other men? Yuck”, proves to me that you think about the sexual aspects of the relationship. But when you think about a heterosexual relationship, you tend to focus on the ‘loving’ side of their union. The prime focus on homosexuality is sex. Why?

JR Estelle: She really doesn’t have any clue what she’s protesting against.

Catch: The biggest commandment, right?

Miranda: Me too.

Mark: So is everyone going to hell Mark? Premarital sex is a given. Ask any of your family members and friends if they waited it out. We all have had sex before even thinking about marriage. Our sins have been removed by the blood of Christ. Do you trust that?

I don’t feel my walk is muddy, Mark. My repentance is drawing near to God and admitting that I’m inadequate as a human being, therefore needing God in my life on a daily basis. The entire NT focuses on the cleansing of our sins by Christ. We are no longer bound by the law. It says this all in Galatians. Christ DID abolish the Old Law, which is in the Old Testament Mark.

What do you think about this scripture?
”But what if we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then find out that we are still sinners? Has Christ led us into sin? Of course not! Rather, I make myself guilty if rebuild the old system I already tore down. For when I tried to keep the law, I realized I could never earn God’s approval. So I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ. I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. So I live my life in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me an gave himself for me. I am not one for those who treats the grace of God as meaningless. For if we could be saved by keeping the law, then there was no need for Christ to die." ~17:21

We live in Christ…and Christ lives in us, if we have faith. By faith, we are saved. Do you believe and ~trust~ that Jesus took all of your sins away up on the cross? It sounds as though you’re unsure about this. I totally believe and know with all my heart that my sins have been washed clean, therefore admitting to my indadequacies as a human. Not one of us is without sin. Not one.

So, if you can look beyond the sexual aspects of homosexuality, and see us for human beings who are loving another person of the same gender, then maybe you can understand where I’m coming from. We actually have loving relationships full of compassion and family values. It’s not all about sex.

~Dawn said...

You have opened up the 'can of worms' here Deb!

I love it that their site is blocked by my work filter as a 'hate' site -much like the kkk and other spite-filled and violence condoning sites.

Mark said...

Deb says,
Christ DID abolish the Old Law, which is in the Old Testament Mark.

No Deb, Christ did not abolish the 'old law'. What He abolished was the "I am saved by keeping the law" which the Phairsees and others had instituted and they were wrong. Rememeber, Moses never said your are saved by keeping the law, ever! In addition, you and I are not the ancient near eastern Jews or Israel which much of the law you like to quote was given. I certainly can't be expected to bring a particular kind of sheep to the alter if there are none here in Virginia, eh? One thing the Pharisees did do, they had a response to sin, ie sacrafice. Repentance is absolutely key, Deb. You can't possibly read the NT and not see that time and time again. Your response to sin can't be casual Deb, or you risk trampling the blood of Christ.

Love you!

~Deb said...

Dawn: Quite possibly! Their site does have a warning before entering…much like a porn site.

Mark,

So, with repentance in your views, ‘keeping the law’ is key, but the law will not save you. So we seem to agree upon that. My response to sin isn’t casual. My view of sin is “human”----and God sees our hearts. I believe that if you do something in a sinful and evil way, to hurt, destroy and tear down someone, then yes, that’s definitely a sin. But loving someone isn’t a sin.

Not once, did Jesus ever mention homosexuality. Not once. The primary focus on radical Christians & those who believe that being gay is a sin is the sexual aspect of it.

What about premarital sex then? Are we all going to hell? God didn’t put us on earth to cast us all into hell. Like I’ve said before, even a divorcee who remarries is committing adultery, if his/her ex is still alive. Are they going to hell?

I know I’ve gone over this before, however you seem to believe that the entire world is going into hell. I totally understand your upbringing on believing that homosexuality’s a sin due to ‘black and white text’, however, the interpretation of it all varies from each believer. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus, you’ll see what He wants from you.

If you love God with all your heart, He’ll never steer you wrong. I know you love God, Mark, so I won’t condemn your beliefs. I can only state what I believe and know to be true in my heart. God tells me “I’m okay”. Does He tell you the same? Or do you walk around in fear all the time? If your relationship with God is strong, rest in that and know that He loves you no matter how different those around you are. Thanks so much for your input!

Love & peace to you!

Andor Marton said...

It is such a contradiction to say you are a "GAY" Christian that is totally the opposite of what God is about, he is about purity and and not corrupted morals. Being Gay is immoral in the site of God. To be exact Jesus Christ. He Came and died for sin it was sin that placed him on the cross and homosexuality being one of the many sins he died for how can you than say you are a Gay Christian. To be a Christian is to starve to be more like Christ. How do you seek to be more like Christ when he is Holy BUT YET indulge in a life style that is impure and unholy in his sight. I'm guessing you have never read the story about sodium and Ga moray in the bible, the two cities that were destroyed by God because they indulged in such sin that you are comfortable and proudly associating yourself with and calling you self a "GAY CHRISTIAN" yet alone a pastor.

~Deb said...

Hmm, I never claimed to be a pastor. I'll ignore that comment if you don't mind... No, never read "Sodium & Ga Moray" before. Thanks for stopping by anyway!

Amy said...

Sodium and Ga moray?

Love the sinner, hate the sin.

That is the message that people like Mark promote. This is nothing more than a perverted transparent tactic that exerts bigotry and discrimination.

America was founded, by God loving men and women, on the idea that all people were created equally and that we all deserve fairness and to be treated with dignity. Our nation has stumbled down that path many times and yet we still haven't learned from our rich history about how to treat others and what the difference between right and wrong is.

Messages such as the ones the Phelps family smear about do nothing to advance anything or anyone. They have nothing to do with love, but everything to do with fear, terrorism, and hate.

Implying that anyone, gay or straight, black, white or purple, blonde or brunette, young or old are not people of faith is denying God's existence in someone's life and that is the worst possible sin of all.

It is dehumanizing to claim that anyone gay is "broken".

Sorry to break the bad news to people like Mark, but I work just fine! I am gay and happy and safe in God's arms. I live a rich, fulfilling, productive life and am an active, contrubuting member of society. I care about making this world a better, more safe, and more loving place than anything else.

Pointing out the “clobber passages” of The Bible to try to justify hate is a disgusting misuse of God's peaceful and loving demeanor and his love for all the children he has created.

God shouldn't be restricted to the words written in The Bible because He is so much more than pen and ink.

In my eyes, it is not an intransigent manual where you always get the same result. It is a colorful giuding treasure that everyone is meant to enjoy, learn from, share and love because it is beautiful with many different kinds of people - like life.

God gave us free will which carries with it the responsibility to connect with The Holy Spirit.

Just like any group that has been tormented and hated, like it or not, gays are here to stay.

Homophobes, you need to reconcile that because it isn't going to change.

Mark said...

Amy, may I suggest de-caffe you ignorant little name caller. You wouldn't know God if He bit your ear off, why? because according to you God is so so so much more than His word! Ya know, the word Christ confirmed, God Himself. Yes Amy dear anti- christ, that Holy word is in ink and on paper these days. your a Dumb ass dear. :)

oops I called you names too, except I am describing your words correctly. I bet that pisses you off I could be so arrogant, eh?

Now Amy, what sin, if any in your Christless world, does not define a group of people that call it Holy before our living God?

I so look forward to cramming more truth down your Godless-Liberal most stupid ass. :) Oh btw i Love you !

PS you keep saying gay. I am happy too..ie gay as well. Are you attempting to change the meaning of this word Amy? If so why? Does Homosexual as a word offend you? or do you just prefer to have your entire identity linked to such 'happy' words until it does not suite your selfish Christ-less worldly wishes?

Tell me, do you believe two men can ask God to Bless their sexual acts together? Who is this God and can you tell me how you personally Amy have come to learn about Him?

I know, a lot of questions...
I don't expect answers, just think about them, eh?

~Deb said...

Mark, do you think that was spoken 'in love'? Would Jesus respond in the manner you did?

Amy didn't say anything other than defending herself and her relationship with God.

If you were offended, then you may want to evaluate how you feel about homosexuality yourself. I think you may have some hidden issues to contend with.

Amy is far from ignorant, Mark. She has spoken some very eye-opening and thought provoking comments that were out of love. You've only commented to judge and riducule other people's beliefs.

Share your beliefs, but don't play the role of God.

~Deb said...

P.S. Mark, again, you only speak about sex. Speak upon the relationships of two people who love one another. It's more than sex. I guess you can't seem to get your mind off it though.

Amy said...

I must have hit a raw nerve!

I see four motivations embedded in your strange and explosive response Mark:

1. Self-Defense
Much like the defense that so many man have used when being criminally prosecuted for hate crimes, you are "responding" to "aggression", as if someone were trying to make a homosexual, queer, or "gay" proposition to you, or to force or coerce you into being involved in or engaging in homosexual/queer/gay activities, by lashing out with verbal violence.
Too bad you didn't succomb Mark, you're going to miss out on a heck of a lesbian pot-luck dinner! I'm making an Ambrosia Salad!

2. Ideology
You view yourself as an enforcer of social norms. You are The Moral Transgression Police. A private security firm hired by those who can't handle challenges to gender norms. You act as judge and jury...careful, that can get you into alot of difficult spots.

3. Thrill Seeking
You might be bored, so you are attacking to have fun and excitement, and to make yourself feel strong.

4. Impress Your Friends!
in order to prove your toughness and heterosexuality to friends you antagonize people who you think are more weak than you are. That's called bullying, and frankly I outgrew falling for that when I was in 4th grade.

If you want to call me names, please do! It doens't do anything but give you less credibility in God's eyes.

Identity isn't linked to words. Identity is linked to actions and achievements, among other things.

It is enough to say that I have learned about Him by walking my life path with Him guiding me.

God can bless anyone who is filled with love. It is up to Him, not you to say who should be blessed.

Lynn said...

I love you, Deb.

Gay, straight, black, white, brown, male, female, young, old...

This is humanity.

I am a part. When I love others, I love me. This is the wisdom of Jesus.

I love you, Deb.

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

Deb, sometime, when you have a few minutes, you may want to read the pastoral letter by United Church of Christ Former President, The Rev. Paul H. Sherry, entitled "The Rights of Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Persons in Society and their Membership and Ministry in the Church: A Pastoral Letter to the United Church of Christ" at http://www.ucc.org/news/record/pastoral.shtml.

Mark said...

wow Amy! you are a man hater. I just thought that was a rumor. :)

Would you define "hate crimes" for me? and while your at it homophobe too? Thanks toots. That way I can use your own words to help you understand your error. Open wide Amy, Daddy got a spoon full of truth coming your way!

Identity is linked to actions and achievements, among other things.

There's that works based thing again, Deb hates that ya know. Amy, if you could not identitfy yourself with your gayness, you would have nothing to talk about is my guess.

The rest of your comments...? well lets just say, your babble was most impressive. Thanks, you know how I appreciate a good babble.

God can bless anyone who is filled with love. It is up to Him, not you to say who should be blessed.

Can you tell me how and where you know your God is so concerned with love? I love my dog, but I hate most people, will God bless me? What is a blessing according to your god Amy? Also, can you tell me where I ever said I decide who is and not blessed?

Deb,
You and others like to use that I am gay too theme alot eh? Humm, I wonder why? Do you want company while you justify that which is sin, as holy? Trust me Deb, you won't be alone, it just won't include me. My lust's of the things of this world will never be proclaimed by me as Holy before God. Man/Woman does not need to share the same lusts/sins to know they are wrong and destructive before God. We may all have different weakness to sin, but we all have only one way to restore our realtionship back to God, and it starts with repentance. I hope you get that one day.

Does Amy have that homosexual handbook out? Her outline looked familiar..the same one that lied about the number of back ally abrortions but was published in the NYTimes anyways but later the very 'liberals' that made up the numbers came clean. Just curious.

Mark said...

oh yeah, Amy i love you too!

Sandalina said...

This has nothing to do with what everyone is posting here, but anyways...lol...

I would be willing to bet that the pastor of that whacko church is gay.

Like Ted Haggerd or however you spell his name.

Just some random thought that popped in my head...like that saying, "Thou doth protest too much". You have to wonder why...

Hmmmmm....

QUASAR9 said...

Hi Deb,
thought you'd enjoy this link
Rockets of Desire

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

Lynn: Thank you, Lynn. With few, but powerful words, you’ve said it all. I love you too! {{hugs}}

Nick: Very interesting—I have to read more into this site. Thank you!

Mark: Believe me, Amy isn’t a manhater. The only reason why I stated that maybe you should evaluate your own definition of the word gay “OR” homosexual, yes, I like to use both- and for me, I use ‘lesbian’, I meant it in the terms of why you seem to focus on this topic so much. You never, ever comment on other issues, such as relationships, current events or any other types of posts I put out there. Once I speak about my lifestyle as a lesbian, you lash out, with cruel words sometimes, cursing and claiming Jesus as your Savior. How can you curse at someone, calling them a “stupid ass” and claim to be a ‘good Christian’? I’m not saying you’re not a good Christian, because I think that definition can be tossed down the drain with most of us.

Your sarcasm scares me sometimes, Mark. You seem so angry. Be more humane and try to understand why people feel very offended by your words. I will say that identity is linked to faith first, with the ability that God gives us as Christians to do to others as you would yourself. (Sorry Amy.) Faith comes first. My identity relies upon being a child of God- not being ‘of this earth’, but focusing on the Kingdom of God is my primary goal. I will say that the written text is not “pen and ink”, however, there are so many interpretations of the bible. I believe Amy was referring to the relationship that you should have with God, as well as referring to the written text. She knows how important the bible is, and I’ve personally bought her one and she reads it and relies on it on a daily basis. I rely on it…how I interpret it, and how you interpret it is a whole different story. I can back up my beliefs through the power of God, through the bible. I’m that sure and confident about my relationship with God, and---get this---about my blessings BY God regarding my loving relationship with my partner.

Sandalina: Possibly…but God loves him anyway! :

~Deb said...

P.S. Mark, if a pastor of a church started preaching using profanity, what would you think of him? Do you feel that his credibility is good?

Amy said...

I should clarify my pen and ink statement.
I was trying to place emphasis on the relationship we each have with God.

I am not wrong in the idea that God should not be restricted.

Of courseThe Bible is the truth, however we have to recognize that there is so much more we need to have a relationship with God. To me, it is a combination of learning as we read the stories in The Bible, and having a profound sense of connection with God.

John 20:27-29
The strongest faith is not one based on physical senses but on spiritual conviction. We are not able to be with Jesus in the flesh as were the early disciples, so our faith is sterngthened by the testimony of God's word and by the inner conviction of the Holy Spirit.

Joey said...

Bickering back and forth is like watching a clock tick. You know it’s going nowhere, it moves a little, but you still stare at it anyway, amazed at it’s ability to go back and forth. So why argue over religion? My beliefs is different than yours, hers, and his. What’s the difference? You cannot force someone to believe your religion is the truth. It’s impossible. As Deb stated, you can share your faith, but you cannot implement it into someone’s brain as truth. It’s all about respect for one’s ability to seek religion as comfort.

tkkerouac said...

I love that you are so open.

Matt-Man said...

Wow...Mr. Mark Of the Beast has some issues. I am actually speechless and that doesnt happen too often. Cheers Deb!!

kathi said...

Here we go... You'd think I'd read this before I blogged today, but I hadn't.
Christ did not come to save the righteous, but the sinner. We are all sinners. Degrees of sin are worthless.
My biggest concern here is for those who have not accepted Christ as Lord (as yet), that they may take a step back from Him instead of closer to Him because of someone's words, comments and hostility here.
If you find yourself not able to discuss this, or any, subject in love, please refrain from discussing it until you can because your actions will have consequences that are not benefial to the walk of others...especially those who are seeking, whether they realize they are seeking Christ or not. Hostility never brought anyone to Christ.
Please weigh your words before you use them.

Crassius Maximus said...

Dropping fag blasts on people and involving kids is completely uncool. These people focusing on what they percieve to be deviant behavior to this extent (God hates gays and so forth) is laughable as there is plenty of real bad behavior to carp about, if they are really looking for a cause of some sort.

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

I fully understand everyone has a different levels and degrees of beliefs, but you’re absolutely right, Kathi, the words have to be weighed before used. In my own experience, I have brought many nonbelievers to God. I’ve shared my beliefs and let them know how I felt about my relationship with God and how important the bible is. What Mark and these other “Christians” do, is literally curse you for believing in the same God, however holding different degrees of faith of whether this is good or this is bad. There was a time when Dani and her husband had told me to quit being a Christian. They even aired this on their internet radio show and dedicated a full hour about me. Sad, huh? They said to stop calling myself a Christian—they’d rather see me be an atheist, due to my lifestyle of being a lesbian. The ironic part about this is, in the bible, it clearly states that if anyone steers a child of God away, that it is the biggest sin of all. They don’t speak the ‘word of God’, they speak the words that spew from the Phelps. Pure hatred.

All of their preaching is based upon hate and judgment. It’s not about love at all. What I try to get across on my site is that God is love and He wants us to love one another, respect one another and treat one another in love. That’s not happening here. Am I surprised? No. But, I will say that I am happy to see people (like Kathi) and many other readers of mine, strong in their faith that they don’t have to resort to name calling or cursing while they talk about worshipping God. It’s a total relief. Thanks for contributing to my messy comment section.

Love you all!

some chick said...

Awesome video...

God is love.

Love is love.

God is not hate.

Man is hate.

It is fairly simple.




All things in love.

Mark said...

kathi, Bravo! I agree.

All of their preaching is based upon hate and judgment.

Now, who is being judgemntal Deb? It's only judgmental when it offends your unbiblical foundations of living dear.

~Deb said...

Some chick: I couldn’t have said that better! Thank you!

Mark: My way of living isn’t unbiblical. You seem to think that God and I are at odds. We’re not. It seems to me that your relationship with Him is in jeopardy due to your focus on being a hypocrite and judging others. I’d start walking in love, instead of focusing on how others live. Do you feel that cursing at someone who loves God on a forum is "biblically okay"? Think about it. Your words show your true character.

God bless, and thank you for coming by again.

Mark said...

Do you feel that cursing at someone who loves God on a forum is "biblically okay"?

yes, especially if the curse word you keep bringing up describes accurately. Brood of vipers ring a bell. Anyways, a follower of Christ would not mangle His teachings to others. You can call it love all day long, it's wrong and always will be and God willing there will be those who will proclaim as much, better than me I hope, even if you do call them haters and judgmental. Which I am not, and I demand an apology within 24 hours.

~Deb said...

Mark,

I never mangled the word of God. He loves me, He loves you, and yes, I can call it love all day long and it won’t be wrong. (And now we're starting to write poetry here!)

Here’s my apology. I’m so sorry that you sit all day long thinking about homosexuals. I’m so sorry that you study us with a microscope. I’m so sorry you took on the task “being God”, when the job has already been filled.

Gee Mark, I am so sorry!

Mark said...

unacceptable! apology denied. approx 23.45 hours left to say your sorry and mean it.

btw, you are not a homosexual, you may be an out and proud sinner, but that's where I draw the line. I study sin and it's destructive effects, I am indeed a student of the Bible, as we all should be. I don't own a microscope, my daughter might have one, but I doubt she could find it, her room is a mess.

~Deb said...

Like I need your forgiveness oh great one! See? Playing God again Mark!

Newsflash Mark my dear. I’m a homosexual/lesbian/gay person (and yes happy “gay” too) and of course, a dyke. Pick your label. I don’t care. And yes! I am a sinner! Wow, are there any of us who aren’t?

Mark said...

Like I need your forgiveness oh great one!

Now you're sounding like that nappy head Rev. Al "race pimp" Sharpton. What Reverend does not forgive? What church is he a 'Reverend' for? Do you think he'll take his nappy head back down to Duke and apologize to those young men?

Wow, are there any of us who aren’t?

No, some however would never elevate their sins to being Holy before God. You know I love you and I won't label you even if you want me and others to do just that.

23.15 hours left.

~Deb said...
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~Deb said...

Hmm...racial issues. I'm not touching that one.

When is happy hour? Oh wait Mark, can we label it, "Gay Hour"?

P.S. Being gay isn't a sin in my belief. So, therefore, we'll always butt heads...but I'll talk it over with you at 'happy hour'. See you at the bar!

~Deb said...

And don't tell me drinking is a sin either. Didn't that amazing man, I believe his name was Jesus, make water into wine? ;)

Wes said...

Day-um, great post my lady! While I'm not - or for that matter - can't understand gay culture, I do have friends who are gay. I'll leave the religious aspect aside and say that the hate crime thing is what burns me a little. People can disagree with one another, but taking it to that level is something a caveman would do. Just plain stupid.

Mark said...

P.S. Being gay isn't a sin in my belief.

ok...would that 'gayness' not being a sin to you include the acts or the feelings & emotions or both?

What is God most pleased with in His relationship to us? I know you'll say love, but the problem is I think Godly love has nothing to do with a pleasure offered by the world.

Christ could have spinned donkeys on His finger tips in front of the folks that hated Him, no? Would that not have been enough? Christ could have taken the nails out of His hands and swooped Himself off the cross in front of everyone watching, but He didn't, did He? Remember even Judas saw Christ raise a dead man, did that help him?

Ever wonder why Deb?
Love you!

Lorna said...

Hi deb,
I tried to read all the comments and frankly, did not find most of them worth reading in full. Once the name calling and judging starts I lose interest. All I know, and what I believe in, is that God loves us all, only He can judge. I was raised to love all people for WHO they are and not what their sexual preference is, and to forgive the ignorance in others. I, for one, think you are an intelligent, compassionate person no matter what your sexual preference. Thank you for being my friend, Deb. hugssssssssssss

Take 2 said...

Deb,

How in heaven's name do you find some of this stuff. Wow I went to the site and they also hate Canada where I live, they hate America where you live and I have family that lives and perhaps one day I will live in America. Anyways......

HATE, hate.... I emailed them. I told them I was grieved in my spirit that they could call themselves Christians when Jesus is LOVE!!!!!!!!! We will wait for a response.

Pointing fingers and judging one another, or each of us trying to convince each other we are right will never work.

This is where we as Spirit filled Christians(ie me!!!) will sit back and pray and allow the HOLY SPIRIT TO work in other's lives. If I try to convict people or tell them they are sinners I will always muck it up.

Mark brother.... shut your mouth man. Deb don't react!!! Most of all let us all check our guts and see what is really buggin us.

We will never be able to change another person... only Jesus can, only when an individual resigns their life fully to HIM.

Jesus we are coming undone.. please help us.

With that said.... I really am dumbfounded.

Love ya Deb. Again I am saddened by others and their attitudes and again I say... I don't get it. I don't get the gay lifestyle but I am not here to judge you or anyone else. I also don't get how people can have such hateful sites as the one you pointed out in this blog. Crazy world we live in.

Jesus must be watching us and weeping as we speak.

Blessings,


Dana :-)

QUASAR9 said...

Drinking, or rather getting drunk and losing control of ones senses is forbidden in Islam.

Drink driving is not a 'sin' in the western world, but it is wrong

Driving whilst dunk and losing control of the vehile and causing death by wrecklessness ...
well the parents and relatives of friends of the victim can feel it is an 'unforgivable' wrong.

Mind you if none of us we were forgiven for our wrongs (one strike and you are out) not many of us would be around.

However because we may forgive manslaughter or murder, does not make killing 'encourageable'
unless you are in the military in the middle of a War of Independence, a Civil War, A World War (i or II) the Vietnam War, the korean War, the Afghan War, or Gulf War (I and II) - where it seems the government (of whatever denomination or faith) on both sides, justifies killing in the name of freedom or democracy or 'higher' good - hmmm oh yeah?

~Deb said...

Mark: I feel bad that you don’t have enough faith in Jesus’ death upon the cross. Do you know why He did this for us? Do you think it was just for nothing and that we are bound by the old law? Don’t torture yourself. You’re a good person, with faith in God, however, sometimes I tend to believe you don’t have 100% faith in what Jesus did for you. Relax, be yourself, love God, love others, and keep your relationship with Him---and know that His gift was paid in full. Love you too!

Lorna: Thank you. You just spoke everything Jesus is about. It starts out with love & forgiveness.

Take2: Isn’t it sad how these hateful people will teach their children to hate as well? I didn’t know they had that type of hatred up in Canada…but I guess it’s everywhere. It starts out with people like Mark. It’s a small seed that grows into a huge tree of judgments upon other people – who are all sinners. Mark seems to think his judgments are righteous, when in fact, he has to take a good hard look at himself. People like that are lost. Without forgiveness, they can’t expect any mercy from God. Thanks Dana!

Quasar: Moderation is the key. God knows everyone’s hearts and motives. It depends on the circumstances and why things had happen the way they do…

Leesa said...

I have really wanted to write about this subject for a long time, but I am stopped, more or less, because of your mastery of the subject.

You just put things better than I do. Hey, if you are looking at BJ tips - I'm your gal. This is a much harder issue, no pun intended.

Mark said...

It starts out with people like Mark.

You're comparing me to Westboro hate mongers? that's rich! Once again you have nothing but contempt, hate, and judgement for anyone who dares disagree with you. Typical Out and Proud mode of operation. Sadly Deb, I thought better of you.

[eric] said...

I'll never understand what those people hope to accomplish by doing the things they do. Do they really expect to win swells of new followers with such aggressive and mean-spirited tactics? Am I missing something?

~Deb said...

Leesa: I wouldn’t have ya any other way!

Mark: It’s your angry attitude that scares me. You’ve cursed and judged during the course of the comment thread and doubted my faith in God. Similar things are happening at the Phelp’s household. Sorry, but it’s true.

Eric: I’ll never understand it. The only thing I see is fear of their young ones being gay. But, I can understand different beliefs and what not, however the way they curse and lash out at you is another story. It doesn't make sense. They have too much anger inside them. Why?

Nancy said...

I am out of antacids, so I won't be reading the comments section today. You know how I feel!

Tagged you for one of my favorite thinking blogs. Hope you don't mind. You have many good things to say.

The Nancenator

Take 2 said...

Deb,

Hey girly.... if it makes you feel any better the people at I hate fags don't believe that I am a Christian and they are also being hateful to me too!!!

Jesus is love people... end of story. We are all cut from the same cloth and we all have struggles in this ole world.

Don't judge, lest you be judged.... what about the verses Jesus talks about pulling the log out of your own eye before you point out the log in your brother/sister's eye.

Enough said.... now I will pray.

Love ya.

Dana

Sandalina said...

Mark, I have to agree with Deb. Your words are hate filled.

I too think it is a sin, but Deb isn't cursing your head off and calling you names to get her point across.

The way I see it is this, I enjoy reading Deb's blog because she is very articulate and makes me think. She tests my faith and allows me to see things from a different perspective.

Does that mean I agree with everything she writes? No. Has she convinced me with her writings? No. But I don't feel the need to ram my views down her throat and curse at her to get a point across. She knows we differ, and respects that, and I respect her.

In the end, it doesn't really matter, because neither Deb nor anyone else is going to be standing before Mark on judgment day.

Be careful of your word choices, Mark...the book of James says: “Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Thus, NO SPRING YIELDS BOTH SALT WATER AND FRESH” (James 3:11,12b).

If you want to express your views, fine, but do it in a way that is not offensive, sarcastic, or scattered with profanity. It's not necessary. No one is going to listen to you when you're in attack mode...they are just going to gang up on you. And stop with the "I love you" crap followed by the :). It's so phony.

~Deb said...

Nancy: I don’t blame you! I’ve downed a few tums myself during this thread. And thank you for tagging me! I have to come visit soon.

Take2: Who’s to tell another Christian that they’re not a believer in God? It baffles me. Thank you, Dana. I appreciate all your input. Love you too!

Sandalina: I appreciate your views and beliefs, even if they differ from mine a bit. It just shows how strong in faith you are. But, this reminds me of a passage from the bible.

In this Scripture found in Romans 14:1-4, it says this:

"Accept Christians who are weak in faith, and don’t argue with them about what they think is right or wrong. For instance, one person believes it is all right to eat anything. But another believer who has a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. Those who think it is all right to eat anything must not look down on those who won’t. And those who won’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. Who are you to condemn God’s servants? They are responsible to the Lord, so let him tell them whether they are right or wrong. The Lord’s power will help them do as they should."

It seems as though Mark doesn’t fully read the bible, even though he claims he’s a “student” of the good book.

Maddie said...

Debbie has faithfully and consistantly brought others to God, by fulfilling what He, our Lord Jesus said to do. Spread the word and bring others to Christ. She loves Jesus and is simply following Him, speaking out. Letting those that are singled out and wrongly chastised, know that He found them to be so valuable that they are also INCLUDED in His plan of salvation. The Word is how He communicates to us, He also speaks to us in spirit. The bible is the Living Word of God divinely authored by Him, through His followers. And if He said, "Those that call upon the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ, will be saved." That is the truth!
Rules and regulations from the old testament are meant to show us how much we need Him, not to condemn. The old law does not apply today because we have a new covenant today with Jesus. Yay!

Sandalina said...

I like that verse, Deb and it's true!

Perfect! :)

Mark said...

Who’s to tell another Christian that they’re not a believer in God? It baffles me.

Well when you say your homosexuality is of God and ok with God and does not destroy the body and soul to others? Me!. Are you not familiar with the writings of the apostle Paul, Peter, or James for instance? Good Lord woman, give me a break.

Saying Christ died for our sins so we can live a little is nothing less than trampling the blood of Christ but twice. See the book of Hebrews Deb and others who care. If that offends you, good. I will take the blame for offending and cursing.

Hey Deb, when was the last time anyone told you or your readers that understanding and reading the OT was crucial to understanding the NT? Why did Jesus (God in flesh) and those who walked, ate, touched, and loved, Him quote from it so often? Your problem is you think you are Israel and like to say the OT 'laws' are all obsolete so you can enjoy your worldy passions and ignore your obligations to God as Christ Himself many many times explains in the NT. God desires a relationship with us, that does not Deb, nor has it ever in the Bible not come with our obligations to Him! never!

Yes sandlina, I am a seminary student at a post graduate level. Perfect? No. Will I die In and for Christ? Yes. I am nothing but a servant, no more or less important to God than you or anyone on earth. If you and Deb want me to justify my acts or words, you won't find it in me or any other human. I know enough about my own sin to know I cannot trust my own heart if it is not in line with God's word. I suggest the same for any self professed follower of Christ.

Maybe Deb and others here want a message that it less interested in our responsiblities to God, and more what God can do for us. Sorry folks, God offered us a new contract in Christ and Christ alone. That is not a free for all nor a buffet (take only what you like) as repeated by Christ so many times and ignored by so many. The sooner we realize that, the sooner and more careful we'll seek Him and His eternal truths that are only found in the Bible. Then and only then will a hurting world understand our worldy desires do not drive God, but He should be driving us when we let Him.

Since you don't like I love you, then go crap yourself you self centered idiot. :) better?

~Deb said...

Thanks Maddie and Sandalina. The Word is how He communicates with us. I totally agree with that.

Mark: You said to us, “…go crap yourself you self centered idiot.”

That right there tells us you’re nothing but a seething, loathing man that doesn’t believe at all that Jesus died for our sins. You are not a credible Christian. You speak with absolutely NO love.

Have you read the book of Galatians? I guess that part isn’t valid in the bible, is it? I guess you start foaming at the mouth when you hear that the law no longer applies to Christians any longer, since Jesus took away our sins. The OT is important for learning how things transpired, but the law NO LONGER applies. You're holding onto it so tightly, forgetting the blood of Christ.

You are definitely a seed to one of those protesting Phelps peeps who are out to kill for their God…the God made in their image. You certainly make Him look like an evil source that wants to only kill us. I categorize you just the same as the Phelps…just the same! And yet, I wish you nothing but peace and love. I really do.

I'll even repeat myself so you can comment on this scripture...

Look at Galatians chapter two verses 17 through 21:

"But what if we seek to be made right with God through faith in Christ and then find out that we are still sinners? Has Christ led us into sin? Of course not! Rather, I make myself guilty if rebuild the old system I already tore down. For when I tried to keep the law, I realized I could never earn God’s approval. So I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ. I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. So I live my life in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me an gave himself for me. I am not one for those who treats the grace of God as meaningless. For if we could be saved by keeping the law, then there was no need for Christ to die."

Your thoughts?

Anonymously Saying said...

This Mark character has shown a lot of hatred here. If it were me, I would ban him from this site because he’s scary. He definitely shows the traits and attributes of those who curse and belittle other Christians thinking his way is the best way. He curses you. WWJD? Maybe he never heard of that before. He’s not a child of God, he’s a child of Satan with hatred towards mankind. I wonder what kind of life this man leads—probably a very lonely one. He’s obsessed with making you a heterosexual. Why? Does he want to date you? Doesn’t he know how much you love your partner? Doesn’t he know that in the eyes of God, that your union is BLESSED by God? Does that make him sad? Sure it does. It makes him sad to see one less woman in this world flock to their own. He detests lesbians, because they’re no longer available to him. I bet you anything this guy is single. What woman in their right mind would date such a demon? (Unless she’s subservient like that Dani character who harassed you a while back.) Lose this guy and let him “foam at the mouth”. He’s possibly drooling if you ask me my honest opinion. He’s a pig.

His blog is worth crap, no one comments except you telling him that God loves him. How sad this guy must be, living a life full of animosity and turmoil over his own emotions. Does he live in blogland, hoping to change a lesbian’s life? These wacky fundies only focus on homosexuals. I bet this Mark guy is in the closet and trying to figure himself out. He bickers with you back and forth ---why??? Because he’s seeking answers within himself and you give him something to think about Deb. Why would he keep coming back to your site, if he knows damn well that your beliefs are set? You have such great faith that he cannot tear down. Amen! Keep preaching the good word and don’t let any evil fake Christian make you feel as though God doesn’t love you. God sees every word he types, even if he erases it.

He’s called one commenter on this thread a “stupid ass”, “ignorant”, as well as “go crap on yourself”. This guy is angry—too angry.

Let’s just call him, “Seething Mark”. That’ll be his new name. Seething Closeted-Homo Mark. If he didn’t like this site, he wouldn’t visit so much. Something to at least think about!

Blessings!

Dan said...

In a world filled with so much hatred, we can use all the love we can get. And this leads to more hatred by people who don't like certain types of love.

It boggles the mind.

Enemy of the Republic said...

Sorry I missed this one. I see that Anonymous is active in his or her disguise--you gutless wonder!

Spoke said...

Funny, why is it the religious right beat the shit out of people with the bible...and then shout how "those people" don't dig Jesus? If "they" don't love God, why put your (God's) decrees on them????
I'm not a surgeon, therefore, the Hippocratic oath is nothing to me.....see the point?

Anonymous said...

I agree that homosexual men and women develop feelings for their partners, but can you explain how these relationships are natural? Many believe its a genetic issue, can't that mean its a genetic disorder? You speak of how Jesus never mentioned homosexuals, did he really have to? Genesis makes it very clear...Adam was by himself so God mad Eve. Don't try to use Christian theology to defend homosexuality, I believe homosexuality might have a leg to stand on but it definitley is not going to find support in the bible

Anonymous said...

Imagine your name is GAY. You are not homosexual. Yet a very positive name has been marred by filth. Gay means happy. People who are homosexuals say they are gay. But they're not. They are the most miserable people on the face of the earth. Rosie O'Donnel is a good example.

I have suffered greatly because my name is GAY. I wish I could sue these filthy perverted people and make them use the word miserable to describle themselves!

~Deb said...

Well, I'm just "happy" that my parents didn't name me "Gay".

I'm "gay", and I'm very happy. I want those who read me and read my book to know that God loves them---regardless of what these angry people (like yourself who seem so unhappy) have to say.

God bless, "Gay".