Tuesday, November 28, 2006

The Faces are Many...In the Name of Religion

As Dani continues to speak of my “sin” on her blog, I chose to take part in the discussion. Maxime, a young girl who was influenced by Dani was a guest blogger who brought up my situation a couple of times. "How can Deb call herself a Christian if she’s a lesbian?"

I’m not going to say much upon this topic, due to the redundancy. I can only ask if you can view this video below. It shows how intolerant this world is to people who are different. The hatred and violence is beyond it’s limits. People have lost their lives by others who were intolerant of their lifestyle. They feel they have “righteous judgment” and feel the need to convict those who they think are committing a sin. Isn’t it God’s job to judge? Don’t we trust God to do His job?

My question is, how can you be hateful and still call yourself a Christian?

The most important commandment is this: “Hear O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.” The second is equally important: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” No other commandment is greater than these. ~Mark 12: 29-31

These are words spoken by Jesus Himself. Christian extremists and other religious finatics are killing one another in the name of religion. Please, if you have time- watch this video.

EDIT: I'm not sure why the video isn't showing anymore, but if you click here, you can view it from this link.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think my comment didn't go through on the first time.

I don't understand how people are this way. I know that hatred is taught to us, but even if you live in the most hateful of places, isn't there even just the most miniscule glimmer or empathy for other people inside each of us?

This video gave me chills. I remember most of those incidents and am glad to have my memory refreshed because this is such an important and overwhelming issue in our great nation.

QUASAR9 said...

Hi Deb, great video!
No, it did not give me the chills.
I am attracted to women whether gay or straight -
but people would have me fear terror, hatred, racism, prejudices
just the same.

Christ was crucufied without SIN
the first apostles were persecuted

Who shall I a mere mortal be in awe of, who shall I fear, those who can kill the body - or that which can give me life 'eternal'

QUASAR9 said...

My question is, how can you be hateful and still call yourself a Christian?

The most important commandment is this: “Hear O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind, and all your strength.” The second is equally important: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” No other commandment is greater than these. ~Mark 12: 29-31

Most people who hate, ultimately hate themselves, most who do wrong ultimately wrong themselves.
Some people love to hate
Some thrive on being hated
Some love to cause much pain
some thrive on suffering & pain

samuru999 said...

Dear Deb
After watching that video...
all I can say is..it broke my heart!
I had a hard time watching it through the tears.

Nothing else to say...
except you are so special!

Margie

The Absent Minded Landlord said...

People fear what they don't understand. They look for reasons to hate and to justify their hatred. Religion is an easy place to turn for this because it has been translated for so many years and there are so many man-made laws thrown in the mix. Along the way, people loose sight of the real message.

Redneck Nerdboy! said...

God loves variety. Look at all the different flowers in a field! Funny that some humans do not agree with him. If it were up to those humans, all those flowers would be the same color and shape.

I like the different flowers.

Kevin said...

That video was pretty amazing. And I've dealt with Dani before. She acts as if she is perfect, but it is clear she doesn't understand what her religion is trying to say...

GW Mush said...

Im going to have to start visiting Dani's blog and work her over in my own special way, hehe

Video X said...

She just. won't. stop. messing with you. SERIOUSLY...it's getting troublesome. That freak is clearly OBSESSED beyond any type of reasonable control with you! Now...I see no reason for anyone to NOT be obsessed with you, but she is just WHACKO PSYCHO crazy. I would not be surprised to hear that she hunted you down and started stalking you in real life. Wow wouldn't that be fun. If you go missing, we will know who did it.

Amy said...

I just logged onto your blog from another blog. The internet--we're aaaall connected!

I've been reading some of your blog and some of this Dani person's blog and I was compelled to offer you my support.

Christians like Dani & Co. fascinate me in morbid ways. I listen to them and hear a lot rhetoric but not too many messages of love and acceptance. They can yank as many biblical passages from the Bible as they want to prove their point but the only thing they've ever shown someone like me is that they're judgmental, angry people with a bone to pick with the world. If those are the only people I have to look forward to hanging out with in Heaven, I'll gladly burn in Hell for all eternity. Thanks, but no thanks.

In my life, I've encountered fundamentalist Christians who have verbally threatened me. I've encountered fundamentalist Christians who've knowingly lied to me. I've encountered fundamentalist Christians who've preached "God's word" and then, right in front of me, done the exact opposite of what they were just talking about. When I've confronted them about it, their logic is always that Satan continues to place challenges in front of them and that's why it's good to be saved.

In other words, in my experience, the fundamental version of Christianity seems less of a philosophy, dogma, and religion and more of an excuse for your own bad behavior.

I've also found it's better not to get into conversations with them. It's truly cult-mentality thinking and there's no winning. People who exist in the lifestyle are absolutely brain-washed, emotionally bankrupt, and desperately looking for ways to fill their own empty voids via pointing fingers at others and "saving" others from themselves.

But I dig your blog and shall be back to read regularly. Keep up the good fight if you must--just don't let them get to you too badly.

Pat Robertson may THINK he's God's right-hand man and know it all, but I bet he's in for a nasty surprise come D-Day.

I don't need a Bible to help me know that God doesn't make mistakes when he makes people. God loves and accepts everyone, no matter what. Period.
:-)

Anonymous said...

Uh, you may wish to read the book of Acts. Paul was pretty much of an A-hole after the conversion.

1. He never stopped feuding with Peter, never.

2. He never forgave mark for punking out on the first missionary journey.

3. He had to be repeatedly forced to follow the will of God, see the story about the women who had tos bind him up...

Now, as to the "twit" who contests your christian walk...

The way to win her game is not to play it. As long as you visit and respond, she wins...

Shake the dust from your sandals and leave her in the dust. Period.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and did I mention that you will be featured most prominently in my posting tomorrow?

Oh yes, I think you will be pleased...



Wait for it...

Nancy said...

"If you judge people, you have no time to love them."

-- Mother Teresa

Anonymous said...

Since it will not stay on her site for long, here is my reply to her bitter potion of gall.


Wow,you and your entire posse are truly a blight upon the internet...

What words come to my mind?

Bigot?

Self righteous?

Unloving?

Uncaring?

I won't expect to see this post upon your comment page, seeing as how you do not have the courage of your convictions to even acknowledge points of view that do not parrot your own poisoned perspective.

I will post it on her open minded blog instead.

You are why I stay away from church.

Anonymous said...

What makes it worse, there are people...many people, that will watch that video and say some or all of those folks got what was coming to them. Odd world we live in, eh?

Anonymous said...

What I find endlessly amusing is that the fundamentalists among us will bend over backwards trying to prove that God really wants us to judge others, and it's ok to do that if you're "really" a Christian. I posted today about a new video game coming out for the fundamentalists Christians based on the "Left Behind" books. In this game, you go around trying to convert people to evangelical Christianity, and if they don't convert, you kill them. Yep. Convert or die. This is what they'd have their children play under the guise of good Christian fun. Sound much like a cult to you?

Yep, me too.

There was a bunch of them obsessed with me for a while, because I dared to disagree with them and give Biblical examples to show why. I got death threats, threats against my disabled child...all from the "right kind" of Christians. If that's what is right, I'll have none of it, thankyouverymuch.

ann said...

Deb, I visited the other site and was initially speechless, but felt the need to leave the following regarding the Jewish point of view:

"Homosexuality

Sexual relations between men are clearly forbidden by the Torah. (Lev. 18:22). Such acts are condemned in the strongest possible terms, as abhorrent.

It is important to note, however, that it is homosexual acts that are forbidden, not homosexual orientation. Judaism focuses on a person's actions rather than a person's desires. A man's desire to have sex with another man is not a sin, so long as he does not act upon that desire. In fact, it could be said that a man who feels such desires but does not act upon them is worthy of more merit in that regard than a man who does not feel such desires at all, just as one who refrains from pork because it is forbidden deserves more merit than one who refrains from pork because he doesn't like the taste.

Interestingly, female homosexual relations are not forbidden by the Torah. There is very little discussion of female homosexuality in the Talmud. The few sources that mention lesbian relations say that they do not disqualify a woman from certain privileges of the priesthood, because it is "merely licentiousness."


The above was taken from a link on my blog My Religion. I have to add that it is not for us to judge each other... G-d is our judge and he is a loving and merciful G-d.

Deb, please don't lose sleep over this... it is not worth it.

lotsa luv ann xxxxx

GW Mush said...

this blog is getting all religious on me and stuff.

Miss 1999 said...

Deb,

That video was extremely moving... It hurt so much to see such hatred, and those who were hurt, and lost their life to such. I can't believe Dani is still at it, preaching her hatred and hypocracy to the world... I still love ya, and that's coming from one of the biggest sinners in the world! *Hugs*

Pittchick said...

I just don't see why people can't learn from those that are different than we are. I don't expect everyone to think as I do, but it doesn't mean I can't try to see where they're coming from and respect their beliefs.
Variety is necessary. I don't see why people feel the need to get in each other's business. Maybe they should spend more time worrying about themselves.

Bossy♥'s YOU said...

that was some video..

I love u deb, and ur more chirstian then I most days, and my hubby is going to seminary:)

Cinderella said...

It amazes me, it truly does. I think everyone has a right to live their life the way they choose.You are not hurting anyone so why should anyone give you a bad time about it? Do what makes YOU happy, let God sort out the rest.

GW Mush said...

Hail Mary full of grace, the lord is with thee

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

Prejudice and judgmentalism is much too predominate today. I find myself frustrated when doing with folks like Dani, whose blog is have just accessed. When local UCC congregations threatened to leave the domination over our General Synod pronouncement asking them to consider supporting gay couples and gay marriage, I asked that these judgmental folks dialogue with the rest of us. They refused, which has made my last year as moderator of the UCC association most exasperating.

I do not believe that one can be hateful, prejudiced, and judgmental and also practice the teachings of Christ. Thus I find it hard not to judge those who are judgmental, which I wish I didn’t do for I find myself violating the same admonition of Jesus that I condemn them for violating: “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.”

Why does life have to be so problematical!

Catch said...

I dont know where the video went, it wasnt on your page. Deb....you are a child of God....we all are. None of us are perfect. Regardless, its for no one to judge....dont let this Dani bother you. You should pity her for she is ignorant. Lets get on with your great posts because you always have something funny and intelligent to say...and thats why I come here. I enjoy reading your blog. I dont care if your a lesbian, thats none of my business and it certainly isnt for me to judge. All I know is your a great person with a knack for writing. Just dismiss this Dani....hit the delete button..and lets get back to having a good time. None of us are paying any attention to her.

Anonymous said...

Just popping in to say hello.

Anonymous said...

I am so sorry that people are so intolerant. How can we say we love God if we do not love all of God's creatures? We are reminded over and over again, to take "the beam" out of our own eyes before we worry about the sliver in our neighbors. So sorry you have to go through this, Deb.

Zanne said...

Thought provoking video Deb--thanks for sharing it. The battle you wage is mine also, as you know, and more and more I think that there are times when we will have to walk away from some because what they truly care about it not God or what God asks of us, which is to love, but about justifying their fear, prejudice, and self-righteousness. Blessings to you!

Lisa A. said...

This is one of those stories that do not require many words. Just look, watch, listen, absorb.

There are prejudices everywhere you turn. If we would just focus on love and God and how God loves all his children, the world would be a much safer, better place. No one has the right to play God.

Well done, Debbie.

GW Mush said...

Our father who arte in heaven, hallow be thy name thy kingdom come thy shall be done... sprinkles holy water on comments::::::

├ůsa said...

It feels like we have a long way to go.

Redneck Nerdboy! said...

Oooh. I like what AMY had to say above there. She's absolutely right!

Jillian said...

Very distribing video, but so true. We where all created equal..this is not excuse for this!

Catch said...

Deb I have been reading over Danis blog.....and a debate like that could go on for days. You know what your relationship is with Christ. You dont owe these people any explanations.We all answer to one person...you are on track with your relationship with Jesus. If you listen to all this "stuff" it will drive you crazy...I think you are much further ahead to pray and talk to Jesus, these people have closed minds on this issue, they dont have the authority to judge you. Just as we dont have the authority to judge them.

~Deb said...

Just as though Dani has her own blog to preach to people about her hatred towards homosexuals and those who are different than her, I want people to know that there is hope. There are people who are tolerant and accepting. Jesus Himself was tolerant to sinners and people who weren’t perfect. We’re all not perfect. She has the whole concept of Christianity looking like a very scary religion to some. She has the right to believe what she wants to, but when she forces the name of God down your throat with a dose of hatred, it saddens me that some people might fall into her trap.

Dani was once a homosexual herself, so I am not sure why she isn’t empathetic to those who are still gay. Yes, she has repented, but I really don’t feel that loving someone of the same gender is wrong. The bible speaks of promiscuity- it speaks of lusting for others, not loving others. That’s where the mix up begins. They can throw any scripture they want, but I know in my heart and through interpretation of what the story applies to, that God was not speaking of a loving relationship between two people.

So, my beliefs are strong just as Dani’s are. When she keeps dropping my name on her blog, (as though she has some weird obsession with me) I feel the need to comment back. I wonder why she doesn’t let go of it though, when she knows that she’ll never…ever change me. This is who I am.

I appreciate all of your comments!

Catch said...

Very well said!