Wednesday, June 14, 2006

Bible Thumpin' Time

"Warning Against Judging Others"

Don’t speak evil against each other, my dear brothers and sisters. If you criticize each other and condemn each other, then you are criticizing and condemning God’s law. But you are not a judge who can decide whether the law is right or wrong. Your job is to obey it. God alone, who made the law, can rightly judge among us. He alone as the power to save or to destroy. So what right do you have to condemn your neighbor? ~ James 4:11-12

The other day, I took some time to pray and meditate on what God wanted me to feel in my heart; to what He had to say about all the conflict and controversy that has been going on between my blog, Dani’s blog, Mike’s blog as well as many others who chose to engage in this discussion. I strongly feel the need to encourage those who feel guilty about “sin” to remember one thing. You are human. We all are human. We make mistakes or we live in a constant struggle to strive to be perfect. God knows this. In my beliefs as a Christian, this is why Jesus died on the cross. God knew our struggle, so He sent His only son to this world to experience this struggle. He saved us from our constant battle of sinning.

And the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as the person who has broken all of God’s laws. For the same God who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said,”Do not murder.” So if you murder someone, you have broken the entire law, even if you do not commit adultery.
So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free. For there will be no mercy for you if you have not been merciful to others. But if you have been merciful, then God’s mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you. ~James 2:10-13

Yes, it’s good to try to obey laws of God. The most important thing is treating others the way Jesus would—and if you’re not Christian---than it’s treating others with the same respect you would want. Is that too much to ask for? I find it extremely sad when someone takes it upon themselves to say, “I judge you! You’re a sinner”, when in fact, we all are. We all are in this together, so why be against your brothers and sisters? That’s really who we are. We are all related as humans. Must we fight and quarrel about what’s right and what’s wrong? Do we feel the need to convince the whole world that ‘we’re living the perfect life’? It’s pointless; it’s meaningless.

You were getting along so well. Who has interfered with you to hold you back from following the truth? It certainly isn’t God, for he is the one who called you to freedom. But it takes only one wrong person among you to infect all the others—a little yeast spreads quickly through the whole batch of dough!
I am trusting the Lord to bring you back to believing as I do about these things. God will judge that person, whoever it is, who has been trouble and confusing you. ~Galatians 5:7-10

Dani and I were getting along so well. We spoke on the phone and exchanged emails. We spoke upon our differences and how God brought us together despite our different viewpoints. We were okay with that, until she tore me up and criticized me with her judgmental remarks. Some people may be influenced by her, feeling a huge amount of guilt for being homosexual. Those people who feel that guilt will turn away from God. That’s why most of the gay and lesbian community refrain from attending a Christian oriented church. The fear of the judgment of mere humans will hold them back from God. How sad is that? How sad when God finally judges the person who made all the judgments upon us?

“The Most Important Commandment”

One of the teachers of religious law was standing there listening to the discussion. He realized that Jesus had answered well, so he asked, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”
Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Here, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your soul, and all your mind, and all your strength. The second is equally important. Love your neighbor as yourself. No other commandment is greater than these." ~Matthew 22:34-40

So with that, Dani is committing the worst sin of all. She is not loving her neighbor, nor is she helping anyone by her contradicting preaching of the bible. She cannot back up what God truly wants us to do. All she can do is point out the flaws and imperfections of people—when in fact she should be pointing out how God is loving and how we should love one another. I know some people will debate that and say I am putting God in a “kumbaya” status, but why do you think God even created us? Do you think He created us only to punish us for our physical desires and carnal nature? Do you really think God doesn’t have enough love to forgive everyone of his children? The expectations of God has been washed away. To forgive someone is a very hard thing to do sometimes. We’re full of resentment and we’re like elephants—we can’t forget. God is capable of doing this. If God made the world, He can certainly have the power to restore your soul and make you right with Him.

Yes, Adam’s one sin brought condemnation upon everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness makes all people right in God’s sight an gives them life. Because one person disobeyed God, many people became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many people will be made right in God’s sight.
God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God’s wonderful kindness became more abundant. So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful kindness rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ~Romans 5:18-21

Kumbaya God? I think not. A gentle God who loves us unconditionally? Definitely. I’m touching upon this subject once again because I have been receiving many emails from gay Christians who were afraid to comment on the board due to judgments that were being passed along freely here. I want to give the message out and even do some ‘bible thumpin’ that GOD LOVES ALL. Get rid of the guilt, get rid of the words of people who hate and judge! God loves you! God accepts you! God wants you to follow Him, and make Him your number one priority. Don’t be afraid to come to God with whatever it is you’re struggling with. Don’t let discouraging words bring you down and make you lose faith in God. God IS kind. God IS forgiving. God IS love. Would you expect less of Him?

Please let that be the message that settles within your heart and within your soul. And in closing, I just want to say while I was typing this all out, these were the scriptures that jumped out at me when I opened up the bible. It wasn’t a coincidence that God led me to these passages. I didn’t have to flip through pages or do any research. I prayed before opening the bible and this is what God presented me with. This is what “I” believe to be true.

Peace be with you all!

44 comments:

steff81 said...

I appluade your stand on your beliefs and lifestyle choices. And I absolutely admire the way you've been able to write several posts that are informative and thought provoking without attacking anyone's character.

With that said, I'm totally ready for some of your more light hearted posts! :o)

Fred said...

Well done, Deb. I couldn't have said it better myself.

As for Dani, I'm not surprised at her reaction. Her attitude also scares away just as many heterosexuals. Good riddance to her and those that think like her.

Amanda said...

This is what Christanity is supposed to be all about. This is what to be human is all about. Dani knows nothing about this, and she calls herself a Christian by hurting others?

Thanks for this inspiring post! I needed to hear this today. God bless you!

Walking Contradiction said...

Yup, all you can do is do what you can, with everything you got. And in the end, GOD will sort it out. If you feel HIM in your heart, that is all that matters. You are born the way you are. And if that is the way you were meant to be, then, there is no reason to fight it and be miserable. I truely don't beleive you, or anyone else for that matter, will burn in hell because of your sexual preferance. I beleive it is what is in your heart of heart's that counts. And you show it as well. And if someone else has a problem with that, well, that is THEIR problem, not yours!!!! I hope one day you guys can get legally married, and have kids, if you want them. Foster, or whatever you choose, I believe you should have the right to choose what is best for you, not ANYONE else. Especially government. THAT is why we have seperation of church and state. Or well, I should say "supposed to have" seperation of church and state.

Walking Contradiction said...

I love stopping by here, I guess I should comment more often?

Party Girl said...

So the last couple weeks I haven't been feeling like myself.
I was down, but not depressed.
I was quiet, but not reflecrive.
I was laughing, but it wasn't heartfelt.
I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was wrong.
My body compostion was all messed up. I simply did not feel like myself.

I had been gossipping a lot the last couple of weeks.
I was making fun of people.
This is VERY unlike me. I don't listen, nor do I feed into negativity or gossip. I hate it. I can't stand it. I want no part of it.
Well, it's been really quite at work and one particular person was feeding this.
Yesterday, I get home from work and flipped on Oprah, like I always do. The show was about acceptance and over coming obstacles and getting on with life and with others.
Complete and total turn around.
Duh! This is what I haven't been doing.
I haven't been accepting other's flaws. I've been going against my nature.
I haven't been following one of my key principles and philosophies in life.

...I exhaled.
My shoulders relaxed.
My stomach unclenched.
My eyes opened and shined.

Today I told my co-workers I don't want to hear it, I don't want to listen to it and I don't want to partake in any of the gossip or back-stabbing.

...and exhale.

Then I read this post. It all clicks together.

However, here is the thing. I wasn't afraid per se of what my co-worker would say, but I wondered how I would be perseved when I said this to them.
Now, how crazy is that?


...anyway, thanks.

I found you by way of trappedinCO.

Madelene Rose said...

I did not know that the Dani thing was this huge! Much less that Mike got in it too. I think Mike put her in her place in terms of his latest blog entry! Amazing work! I never wanted to get into this mainly because I am not Catholic but I know a great deal about Catholicism. All I know is that It is a sacred sect and I respect it immensely. I knew from the beginning that Dani was being too literal and close-minded and my interfering would cause ruckus. Ummm, now, said this before and I will again. Deb, your way of explaing the rules of Catholicism and lifestyle make it appear (and is) how Jesus intended: Forgiving welcoming and loving. Anyone who is searching to find themselves would find Catholicism welcoming and would hurry to be baptized. Seriously.

What I *think* Dani is all about is: PURE excitement because she just "found" herself and her place in religion. She claimed she had a wild life and now is settled with kids and a hubby. Yet, I advise her to calm down and pray that she stays committed to this religion. She might burn out and "relapse" according to whatever she believes is decadant, perver and sin. She can't point fingers and claim her way is THE way. That's not why Jesus sacrified himself for all of humanity. What happened to turning the other cheek? Forgive and forget?

Anyway, I always say that I respect you and I truly do. I never knew that such a person can exist who truly makes you feel a lot more relief to know they exist. Even two continents away.

I will continue to boycott Dani's blog and keep yours as a favorite.

Having her in your links is interesting.. Why?

PS - Ure the bigger person in this and for allowing her to post here but I think (many thots so far, LoL! I know), that when your give a person you disagree with a window of opportunity to speak up... U allow their insanity to somehow be "heard" when it is muted and "accepted" when its not.

Madelene Rose said...

my typos embarass me! :") *blushes*

Madelene said...

It is so very true, that God accepts us AS WE ARE. After all He sent his only son to die for us, a sacrifice so significant, it is difficult for the human mind to comprehend a love so deep. We just need to accept the free gift. Guilt is very often misplaced and paralyzing to a persons well-being. It's so important for us to get rid of the guilt and realize you were made by God, wonderfully and specifically for a purpose and for a victorious life. We need to stand up with head held high. Great points covered in this post!

kathi said...

All new testament too. That put's a lot of it to rest, or should.

LOVE YOU

luckysevn said...

I spent three years working for a Catholic-run non-profit, and I was discriminated against the entire time because I'm Protestant. Never mind the fact that I've been a regular church-going, bible-reading, practicing CHRISTIAN my entire life... It's such a miserable feeling to be a Christian and to have other Christians treat you as if you're lesser in the eyes of God because you don't worship the way they do. Thank you, Deb, for making it perfectly clear how God expects us to treat one another...

Leesa said...

You know, Dani said it was sad that I still don't know right from wrong even though I have been discerning it for years. It sort of got me down. But then I thought that Jesus was tempted for 40 days in the desert. And He was tempted. Makes my strugles seem small in comparison.

Geek said...

Well Walking Contradiction and Madelene Rose Said it better than I could have so... amen, well said, and thank you. Keep your light shining! I can see it even in Mississippi.

Anonymous said...

Out of curiosity, I just want to know how you justify a homosexual lifestyle based on Christianity.

Not trying to be mean, just was always curious.

I think that it's impossible to be a Christian and be gay.

But back it up scripturally to me and I'll listen. And explain the verses that are blatantly against homosexuality.

Anonymous said...

And I read that website at the top of your list. It was a whole lot of explaining nothing.

Not only was it WAY too wordy, it just seemed like justification.

I wonder if the 10 commandments were misconstrued as well.

Maybe Moses meant that it's ok to committ adultery in certain circumstances. It's ok to lie when it's justified. It's ok to be envious of someone who has way too much stuff to begin with.

Maybe I can justify every sin in the bible until I feel good about the way I live!

Yah that's it! That's how I can live a "guilt free" Christian life! I want to be consequence free!! And justification is the key!

~Deb said...

Well first of all, it’s interesting to see you singed anonymous since your ip address came up the same as someone else that shares the same bias beliefs you do. But that’s okay—I allow anonymous comments. It’s inevitable.

I’m not justifying my homosexuality. I’m saying that God had sent His only son to die for us on the cross for our sins.

So, because I love God with all my heart, this means I cannot be a Christian due to the fact that I have spent the last 12 yrs of my life in a monogamous relationship with the same woman?

I can’t say I love Jesus because I love someone else of the same gender?

Do you think what you’re trying to convey is ‘Christ like’?

“Don’t condemn Others”

Stop judging others, an you will not be judged. Stop criticizing others, or it will all come back on you. If you forgive others, you will be forgiven. ~Luke 6:37

And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying, “Friend, let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye”, when you can’t see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye. ~Luke 6:41-42


My whole point is to judge NOT. . . Let God do that. Relax and worry about your own lives instead of playing “God”. That’s my point. We are ALL sinners and we all fall short. God sees your heart.

Thanks for stopping by!

Madelene Rose said...

Umm... Here's a weird thot: U can always threaten your anonymous like so: If you don't behave yourself and get a life and BUZZ OFF... I will get my janitor over here and have him take his shoe off and beat your with his stinking sock!

*angelic smirk*

Sometimes I get gross. Forgive me :p

Taylor said...

Dear Deb,

Thank you once again. You speak for many people including me who don't seem to have a well enough heard voice for one reason or another. I don't think the comment went through that I posted yesterday but this is what it said overall: you're an inspirational and life-changing woman as well as sincerly kind.

Sincerly and Always
~Taylor (formally Ron on other account)

p.s. I believe it is the most important lesson: God loves all and always will.
Why don't some people get that? Sins are sins.... it's just that. It ain't that complicated.

p.p.s. no, i do not often use the term "ain't" so don't go assuming I be unedumacated (jk)

Bossy♥'s YOU said...

beaitfully written.I would not of expected anything less:)

myquestioningmind said...

My pastor once said if you focus your eyes on your brother you will end up hating him, so keep your eyes on God. And not on what others think but what God thinks.

Tressa said...

"He saved us from our constant battle of sinning"

You say this yet you keep living just the same as before you were 'saved'?

You're supposed to TRY and SIN NOT. Laying with mankind also breaks God's laws... not holding your tongue isn't a sin although the tongue can be evil and wicked.

But Dani has shown you love over your soul, but you simply cannot see that or understand as I do. So you lash out screaming "Judge Not" when it was simply a matter of her pointing out what she believes to be wrong and seperating you from God's promises... and her belief is based on God's words which you have choosen to throw away. It was only her genuine concern over your eternity that has lead to this?

Love and respect should definitely play a major role in anyones life- Christian or not- but you would really be living in a dream world to believe that "I'm okay, You're Okay" would just be Okay because there is much wrong as well as good in this world and they oppose eachother directly. That's why everyone can't just get along... not in this lifetime anyway.

A Christian has the right to speak out against SIN but that is in no way judging you as a person. Dani can and has backed up what God wants anyone to do and that's Repent, and turn YOUR LIFE over to Him. God is Loving, YES, but like you've said yourself--> The Ultimate JUDGE and yet you don't believe He will have a problem with your lifestyle?

See, that's where the issue is...You just won't accept His words and no amount of "Bible Thumping" from us mere mortal beings will convince you of that. God must do so, but then again maybe He never will... maybe that's how its just meant to be?

I know it sounds harsh because God is in essence asking you to change everything you've known for years, but you should also know He'd give you back and more. Change is a hard thing but if you're trusting in The Lord, it shouldn't be. That's why people like Dani and myself are here and what we're trying to convey- Not force - All for the Glory of God (not of ourselves).

Yes, God wants you to come to Him JUST AS YOU ARE-->LOST AND A SINNER. Are you to remain that way after finding Him? What did He say to the woman at the well- "Go and SIN NO MORE". Sooner or later, all sins will be brought to light. Justice will be done accordingly, but I'll still hang onto hope.

the voice said...

Well said, Deb. When Jesus was asked to condemn the adultress women, he told the crowd that whoever was without sin could cast the first stone. WITHOUT SIN. Not whoever did not have adultry in their heart. Not even whoever had never committed adultry. No, he said whoever was without sin. and everyone left. Then, what does he do? Does Jesus, who had the actual power to condemn her, do it? No, he asks her "Who condemns you?" When she answers "no one", he replies "neither do I, go and sin no more'. I would guess she left and was intrigued about this man who refused to condemn her. It would not suprise me if she became one of his disciples. But, what if he, after everyone had left, had condemned her? What if he had called her a slut and a whore, and told her she was worthless. Would she even think of becoming one of his followers? Not likely. This is the difference between acting in love, and acting in hate. With one you plant seeds, seeds that may grow a believer at some time. The other way, you drive people away from Jesus, perhaps forever. It is our choice; love or hate. Keep speaking with love, Deb. You will plant more seeds than you can imagine. May God bless you and Madeline always. Your brother in Christ, Ken

Heidi said...

Just because someone doesn't share your beliefs does not mean they are judging you. I disagree with many of the things you say, especially the whole Christian/Lesbian concept. But calm down, I'm not "judging" you, just disagreeing. I do agree with Anonymous on several things.
And this...."shares the same bias beliefs you do." Your beliefs are biased as well.

~Deb said...

Madelene Rose, I see the horns holding up that beautiful halo of yours! hehe! ;)

Taylor, God is all loving and He is forgiving--with any sin. But people don't realize that to judge is to go against God in my belief.

Thanks Bossy!

Myquestionging... Thank you! That's exactly what I am trying to get across. Focus on God and not on other people and what they do and what you think is a sin. I appreciated that.

Thank you Tressa, and please do not compare yourself to Dani. She has called me a ‘pervert, a disgusting homo 'as well as being compared as a rapist, pedophile and murderer. Do you think that was said in love? Your words were said in love. You have a different belief than I do, but you choose to convey it in a loving way. There’s a big difference; which is why I respect you so much. So thank you for telling me in a Christ like way.

The Voice, exactly my point. It’s the people who throw stones “harshly” that I have a problem with. I’m just trying to get a positive message across with my post.

Heidi: Dani didn’t just share her beliefs, she has criticized me and even resorted to saying, “Well at least I’m not a HOMO!” Read up on her blog and see how hateful and focused she is on the homosexual status. It’s okay to be against sin, but why pick and choose and criticize just one group of people? Or “any” people at all? Big shoes to fill if you’re looking for God’s job. Thanks for stopping by.

Dani said...

Well Deb - For someone who preaches, "thou shall not judge" you sure have a lot of stones to throw at me. Further, for someone who preaches "love and tolerance" you sure are intolerant of my views. Why do you pick and choose and criticize me for being against sin? Aren't I a "person" too? Why are my beliefs invalid and yours are accepted? You are such a hypocrite by your own standard!

In addition to that, you seem to be harboring resentment and keeping a record of wrongs of things I've said in the past. Doesn't the Bible say, "Love keeps no record of wrongs"?

Not only are you keeping a record of wrongs, but you are gossiping and slandering me by making up stuff that I didn't say. I never once called you a "pervert, or a disgusting homo." Sure I've said that homosexuality is a perversion, but never once did I attack you directly. If you are going to preach something, be sure to get the story straight. I know it’s hard to make yourself look good, living as a lesbian and all, but you don't need to drag my name through the mud to achieve your goal. Try a little honesty – it’s the Christian thing to do, after all.

~Deb said...

Dani, your constant contradicting ‘preaching’ and ‘judging’ has caused people to turn away from you---and most importantly, they may have turned away from God.

You DID say all those things about me---in fact---yes I have a record because it’s all in my comments and everyone has seen the hatred that you have spewed onto my blog and how homosexuals need the death penalty. You have compared homosexuals as bad as pedophiles, rapists and murders.

To me? You remind me of someone who should belong to the KKK. You have no tolerance for anyone who is different from you.

I don’t expect you to accept me---I only care what God thinks of me---which is my own personal thing. You have no right to judge. If people just read your blog Dani, they’ll see the hate; they’ll see the resentment that you hold so dearly to your heart. It’s sad…because you do have children who will be brought up in ‘your lifestyle’ which is full of judgment. You are not righteous, you have no right to make judgments upon anybody else. That’s God’s job.

I hope that God talks to you; talks to your heart and see what you’re doing to your fellow Christians. I feel sad that you feel the need to dedicate her blog and warp the minds of others with her prejudice and hate.

I shared my blog with you, letting you share your thoughts which I appreciated. Then you turned against me and said I was a pervert among other things.

I will wash my hands of you—and hopefully pray that God fills your heart with a compassionate one towards your neighbor.

Taylor said...

To say: "I know it’s hard to make yourself look good, living as a lesbian and all, but you don't need to drag my name through the mud to achieve your goal." is quite rude Dani. Though my comments on my other account have been harsh and unkind I do respect other peoples views but that's meaness! I'm not going to drag out versus in the bible or religon or anything just plain old character. Please don't argue any farther Deb and Dani. I love a bit of excitement but taking stabs at eachother (wether true or not) is mean. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR!!! Yes I am saying this knowing that I can be quite a brat and unlovable but for today let you be at peace again. Thank you.

Tressa said...

Deb,

The Lord gives you a strong 'warning' in the following verse. Dani didn't just make it up and categorize you along side of murderers. Sin is sin, no matter how bad, in God's eyes.

It's impossible not to sin because we slip into our old nature when we don't keep our eyes on The Lord. However, we need to try to turn from sin in every situation; habitual or lifestyle.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind<--homosexual, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10).

~Deb said...

1 Corinthians 9-10 Don’t you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers—none of these will have a share of the Kingdom of God.

Now as you may read this as a confirmation that people will never go to heaven if they do this, keep reading the next verses. They failed to read the next verse.

Verse 11 (continued) There was a time when some of you were just like that, but now your sins have been washed away, and you have been set apart for God. You have been made right with God because of what the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God has done for you.

What this says to me is, Jesus knows we are all imperfect. He made us the way we are. He loves us regardless, if God did not love us, then He would not have sent His only son up on the cross for us to be saved by our sins. This is a huge thing.

Why not relax and focus on our 'own' shortcomings instead of pointing fingers and saying, "Well that's bad, and what you're doing is wrong"---be more tolerant towards people. We ALL sin. You do, I do, and so does everyone else.

Pick and choosing your sin to judge is not right.

Tressa? Are you perfect in the eyes of God? What's your cross to bear?

~Deb said...

Now as the scripture goes, think about this… (Those who indulge in sexual sin.) Okay, let’s take a look at how many people have premarital sex. That alone is a sexual sin. That is about 90% of the United State’s population right there. Think about your first time having sex. I know I was at the age of six-teen with my boyfriend who I did love very much. I realized that at the age of nine-teen I had to reveal who I really was. (Idol worshipers) Okay, to idolize is to put anything before God. How many people including yourself, sleep in a little bit and don’t go to church on Sunday, or work a twelve hour shift to come home, eat and then go to sleep, and too busy with your husband/wife or lover? This is called idolizing. Making other things in your life a priority is to idolize. (Adulterers) I think we know at least one person who has committed this sin. Think of it this way, two married people separate, and start seeing someone new before the divorce is final. That alone is committing adultery. (Male prostitutes) This is symbolizing the need for money through sexual intimacy. Many of them out there, and this has nothing to do with ‘gender’ alone, it is how the bible formatted itself to the new versions. But generally speaking, it means selling yourself for sexual favors. (Thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, swindlers and yes, homosexuals.) The human race is officially extinct now! There is no one left! Do you think God put us here on earth to just throw us in hell? Give Him more credit than that. He loves you, and knows that this earth is full of sin. As long as God knows your heart and knows your motives- you are saved through Jesus Christ. The one main thing is confess your sins to God and let Him know what you are struggling with.

Matthew 5:7 God blesses those who are merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

As simple as that... If we can become more tolerant towards people in our lives, we can also feel reassured that God is going to be more tolerant towards us. That alone gives me peace of mind.

annie said...

Dani never answers me.

I guess she's figured out I'm smarter than her...

Tressa said...

Yes God loves us. Yes He doesn't want anyone to go to Hell. Yes He died to save us... Save us from ourselves. Noone will ever be perfect, but that gives you NO RIGHT to keep on LIVING IN sin. You justice your life this way.

You are correct in verse 11... There WAS a time when some of you WERE just like that. Meaning, there is a CHANGE that should take place when you're saved!

Let's go on..... I don't omit anything the Bible says.

12-20:

"Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything.

"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.

Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!

Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."

But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

My past sins were forgiven the day I accepted The Lord into my heart. My current and future sins are not, but I have a repentant heart when doing wrong. You do not in regards to your lifestyle because you don't believe it to be wrong- although the Bible points it out.

I have no beef with you, you know I think you're a nice person. I'm not condeming you for anything- just reiterating what the Bible states.

There is more to salvation than just accepting The Lord, you must strive to live your life to what is good, acceptable and honoring of God.

~Deb said...

"...that gives you NO RIGHT to keep on LIVING IN sin."

It gives no one the right to sin---period. From lying, gossiping or even having an impure thought. We're in a physical nature.

I do not believe that loving another person in a monogomous relationship is hurting anyone nor is it a sin. That's "my" belief.

I totally understand through scripture you interpret that to be true--and I respect your beliefs.

Thank you for sharing that with me Tressa. I hope you're doing well! :)

NeverEnough said...

I wish everyone would quit being kind to Dani and hoping that she'll one day see the light or "get the point". She won't! She's a whackjob who lives inside her own homemade hell each and every day and the only way she can feel good about herself is to judge and persecute. I almost commented on her blog, but honestly some people are a waste of time and energy. She is truly a lost cause. YOU are the good person. YOU are the one who is right and YOU are only respectable person I see here. Keep it up Deb!!

Anonymous said...

Howdy,

I was surfing the net and came across the following good article on Christians Who Want Democracy Must Stop Bowing to a Dictator Christ.

There is an idea I would like to grab out of it:
>>"The real Jesus was an anarchist. He spent his life refusing to claim power over anyone. He said that God is understood in terms of love not power."

So much of our world needs to see love because all they really understand is fear, which begets hate. Love will always win out in end, because it was love that won out through death in the beginning.

When communication fails and people prefer not to listen, then it is time to let the spirit do it's work through our prayers.

~Deb, IMO, you have done what you can and now it is time to allow a higher power to step in. I don't believe we shouldn't defend ourselves, although even when Christ was accused, he simply said... nothing.

You and yours have my prayers, may God continue to bless you and shine his light on your path.

~Dawn
Frugalforlife
Queercents

Anonymous said...

There was a time when some of you were just like that

Just thought I'd point the part in that verse you quoted Deb. Notice the "there was a time" part.

Past. Before. Sometime before the present.

Meaning...ONCE you lived that way, and now that you're "in Christ" you live a different life.

I think the truth of the scripture is still hidden to you. But that does not mean I hate you, and as you know, neither does God. :)

Me said...

As a Conservative Christian who believes that how we live our lives is God's business, not our neighbors, I agree 100% with what you wrote and I'll be passing it on to others who I think might benefit from reading it.

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

(Because of Blogger limitations on comment length I’m posting this is 2 or 3 parts)

You make some excellent points, Deb, and back them up with powerful texts. May I add one more text (unless you have already done so in the comments) for those who still do not hear what you are saying?

“Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbor, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,' while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor's eye.” ~Matt 7:1-5

Sometimes Saintly Nick said...

And a story:

There was once a priest who was assigned to the parish of a small village. From the moment of his arrival, people told him that there lived in their village an elderly widow who spoke daily with God. This widow, they said, would not just pray, but she would ask God questions and God would immediately respond to her queries.

This bothered the priest. He said, “If God does not speak directly to me, a priest, how can God speak to this old widow?”

So the priest sought out the widow and asked her if what people said about her and her conversations with God was true. She affirmed that God conversed with her each day. The priest said to her, “Then the next time you speak with God, ask God to tell you my sins, for only God knows them.” The women agreed.

The next day the priest went to the woman. “Have you spoken with God since we talked yesterday?” he asked. She said that she had.

“Did you ask God about my sins?” the priest asked. The woman said that she did.

The priest smiled. “So, what did God say my sins have been?”

The woman replied, “Tell the priest that I have already forgotten his sins.”

To me the idea that God keeps a list of our sins and checks it twice to see if we have been naughty or nice is pure heresy. God is not Santa Claus. The God that I know in Christ Jesus forgives us—and then forgives us again and again and again…and again. (See Matt. 18: 21-22)

One final thought: what some people describe as “sin,” other more enlightened and spiritual people do not.

Anonymous said...

I'm Amazed with a person who has much knowledge to gain access to peoples minds and able to speak with a/n understanding that can help others in times of trials, that you are somewhat lost in faith and trying to gain people who are lost, weak, or have no faith at all the understanding of what is not approved by our GOD in which the whole world will one day see face to face and know that he is GOD. GOD does not allow us the authority to judge, but he does allow us to say when we know the truth of what is morally right, and wrong. We decipher that on the laws which still stand to this day in the Bible. GOD was there in the past, present, and Future. He knew that the world was going to be plagued with Satan's attack on families with either homosexuality, pain, suffering, and etc. The Bible is not outdated, and GOD saw this way ahead, then you with a human mind can think. GOD said we are not to live our lives Compromising with sin. You are well aware of the book, "Genesis" and the laws of marriage which only states that GOD only favors and recognizes the bond of a man, and a woman. No, if's, and's ,or but's.

As Christians we can never stop growing in faith. The pope himself, preachers, and etc. Are all sinners like me and you. And this, "Being GOOD" in life and etc. will not gain anyone access to heaven. God says that after we accept Jesus as his son, we are to continue to live by faith, by the word, and live knowing that he will return and take away everything from the earth and all it's disgusting natures as well as pleasures of chich only come by Satan alone.

Satan attacks Christians in five ways non-stop.
1.) Pressure from the world
2.) Pressure from People
3.) Lust
4.) Riches
5.) Being or feeling exiled in life

As Christians in faith we:
1.) Have stronger trials in life.
2.) Have double consequences in punishment
3.)Cause the most damage in someone's life.

We are to be an exacmple to those who have no faith, and to those who have a weak walk in faith. We don't judge, but we get people back to the real reality in faith.

People weak in faith, see the Cross and it's purpose as foolish, they see the Bible as outdated, they believe that Jesus himself sinned like us, and they make poor decisiosns without realizing it.

People strong in faith, see consequences before making a decsion and stay away from sin as much as they can. But, if they have that temptation, then they will fall and sin. THere consequences will double because they knew that GOD did not approve of their decision. THey cause the most damage in peoples lives because people see that they have fallen to sin, and so they that were helped will fall or turn to someone else.

It is the gift of, "Free will that GOD allowed to everyone that lives and breathes of the decisions they make. THose who want to be homosexuals, choose to be because they want to be. It's Free Will. Not a sickness. GOD never makes mistakes and he allows things to happen for a reason not to hurt his children, but to help them in their walk in life.

E-mail me sometime.
dabranb2@yahoo.com
Daniel B.

Danny said...

I'm Amazed with a person who has much knowledge to gain access to peoples minds and able to speak with a/n understanding that can help others in times of trials, that you are somewhat lost in faith and trying to gain people who are lost, weak, or have no faith at all the understanding of what is not approved by our GOD in which the whole world will one day see face to face and know that he is GOD. GOD does not allow us the authority to judge, but he does allow us to say when we know the truth of what is morally right, and wrong. We decipher that on the laws which still stand to this day in the Bible. GOD was there in the past, present, and Future. He knew that the world was going to be plagued with Satan's attack on families with either homosexuality, pain, suffering, and etc. The Bible is not outdated, and GOD saw this way ahead, then you with a human mind can think. GOD said we are not to live our lives Compromising with sin. You are well aware of the book, "Genesis" and the laws of marriage which only states that GOD only favors and recognizes the bond of a man, and a woman. No, if's, and's ,or but's.

As Christians we can never stop growing in faith. The pope himself, preachers, and etc. Are all sinners like me and you. And this, "Being GOOD" in life and etc. will not gain anyone access to heaven. God says that after we accept Jesus as his son, we are to continue to live by faith, by the word, and live knowing that he will return and take away everything from the earth and all it's disgusting natures as well as pleasures of chich only come by Satan alone.

Satan attacks Christians in five ways non-stop.
1.) Pressure from the world
2.) Pressure from People
3.) Lust
4.) Riches
5.) Being or feeling exiled in life

As Christians in faith we:
1.) Have stronger trials in life.
2.) Have double consequences in punishment
3.)Cause the most damage in someone's life.

We are to be an exacmple to those who have no faith, and to those who have a weak walk in faith. We don't judge, but we get people back to the real reality in faith.

People weak in faith, see the Cross and it's purpose as foolish, they see the Bible as outdated, they believe that Jesus himself sinned like us, and they make poor decisiosns without realizing it.

People strong in faith, see consequences before making a decsion and stay away from sin as much as they can. But, if they have that temptation, then they will fall and sin. THere consequences will double because they knew that GOD did not approve of their decision. THey cause the most damage in peoples lives because people see that they have fallen to sin, and so they that were helped will fall or turn to someone else.

It is the gift of, "Free will that GOD allowed to everyone that lives and breathes of the decisions they make. THose who want to be homosexuals, choose to be because they want to be. It's Free Will. Not a sickness. GOD never makes mistakes and he allows things to happen for a reason not to hurt his children, but to help them in their walk in life.

E-mail me sometime.
dabranb2@yahoo.com
Daniel B.

Anupam said...

Every single person desires to know in their heart that he or she is truly accepted. This yearning for acceptance opens up the door for the enemy to lead us into unholy relationships and immorality that destroy God's creation. There is a vacancy in our hearts that only Christ can fill. When we attempt to fill this yearning with anything other than Christ it will bring confusion to our minds. The key is not to hold the truth of God's Word in unrighteousness. There is not one sin greater than another and God has a desired goal for His creation. His goal is for us to live in right relation to Him so that our lives would bring Him glory and honor.



God’s heart for intercession is a man that will cry out to God for the vilest sinners to be set free and saved. Homosexuality is an abomination – but what about the people that are bound in this sin? Where do we draw the line? We must seek the Lord and cry out to God with a heart full of compassion

Anonymous said...

Did you find what you're looking for, Leedyah? I assure you, what you're hearing on your end has deceitful stories.

Anonymous said...

Found your blog totally by accident, via google. I've always had a different view on the bible and how it addresses homosexuality. Take what is typically used as the "biggie", the tale of Sodom and Gomora. Isn't it odd that God let that place stand as long as he did?

He's all seeing, all knowing, yet he decides to send some angels in to check things out... even odder, it was made out that EVERYONE in this town practiced sodomy or homosexuality. Yet God didn't level the place till A) after the town tried to rape the angels and B) the one protective family got out of there with the angels.

So it's always been my opinion that God didn't/doesn't have a problem with CONSENUAL homosexuality or sodomy... it's the rape that really ticked him off, and the angels were the last test to decide if he was going to toast them or not.

Since so many books have been yanked/added to the canon over the centuries, and verses changed (don't get me started on the story of Lucifer and the original Hebrew), the other "small examples" of condemnation of homosexuality and sodomy don't have enough of the story to show such an alternate ideal, but I'm sure in their original writing they did.

Side note, I'm hetero and not into sodomy. My opinion is that what two adults consensually do either in the privacy of their own home or with respect to what others might see in public is totally their business. If they're happy, I'm happy for them!